Virgin in need of guidance, 5 axis retro fit in the deep end
- MaccaRnD
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Iam new to the world of Linux it’s my first time take it easy on me.
Iam looking for assistance and guidance on a machine retro fit I am undertaking. I’m a Linux Cnc virgin, I’ve had a lot of people recommend running my machine from Linux Cnc and that this forum was vary helpful so ?.
I have a little machining experience. I’m only playing as a Hobbyist on the side at the moment.
I’ve currently have a broken mill of my own that I am looking to retro fit with a new age controller. It’s a somewhat of a clone of a Bemato, I’d like to be able to do ridged tapping and indexing of the spindle for things like tool changing so I would like servo control as I don’t believe VFDs can do this(inexperienced I could be wrong). . Plan to repaint and dress up the machines appearance.
Linux at first glance looks very complicated and not just easy machine setup wizards, the coding side anyway, I’ve been watching a lot of Lunix videos and the skins look good and simple to understand the background (code) looks daunting
1. lunux looks like it is capable of running 5 axis full simultaneous machining, and have the ability to run a spindle with Servo capabilities am I correct?
2. Are things like tool changers simple to set up through Linux with a wizard?
I have an umbrella tool changer
3. Subjective question I know but what’s the best board etc to go with if I’m starting from scratch in the Linux world, Would I need multiple parallel ports (2) on my PC to have enough inputs and outputs (I currently don’t have a computer for my mill so need to purchase something suitable). Would also need Wifi ability to get Cam files from my Cad/cam PC.
is there better ways to run a board than parallel ports.
what sort of minimum requirements would I need to a suitable PC
Sorry for probably stupid questions. And help / links and criticism would be great.
Regards Macca
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1. lunux looks like it is capable of running 5 axis full simultaneous machining, and have the ability to run a spindle with Servo capabilities am I correct?
Yes. In fact LinuxCNC can run 9-axis simultaneous machining, and can run with complex kinematics too.
2. Are things like tool changers simple to set up through Linux with a wizard?
No. Tool changers are all different and a Wizard to handle them all would be insamely difficult to write.
But LinuxCNC can handle lots of different types of toolchanger, but I would never claim that it was simple to set them up.
The "carousel" HAL component should do most of the work, then.I have 16 tool Geneva wheel, air cylinder, limit switches and proxy switches for the wheel home and cam rotation, CW and CCW motor.
Oh, yes, absolutely. I wouldn't dream of trying to run that machine from the parport.is there better ways to run a board than parallel ports.
wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_Supported_Hardware
Though most people tend ti use either Pico or Mesa. Both are supported by the manufacturers on this forum.
Nothing very fancy. Second-hand office PCs are a popular choice.what sort of minimum requirements would I need to a suitable PC
LinuxCNC can handle huge files, and can run at a decent pace.4. In something like 5 axis does linux allow fast 5 axis machine work and big/huge G code files or is it like drip feeding an old machine, rather slow?
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if I don’t need a big pc that’s good, when you say standard office PC, is something like that capable of “running” big G code files fast or is it a case where a bigger faster computer for this would help,
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If you want to get a 5 axis running properly and are not interested in tinkering too much, centroid is probably the cheapest 5 axis control you can find. It's still a chunk of cash though.
There are vfds that can use encoders to run in closed loop mode for rigid tapping. Look into those if you want that feature.
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I’ll have a bit more of a look at centroid.
They seem rather expensive when Lyly look at anything more than basic 3 axis, and every little add on or expansion or widget is close to 1k.
I’m struggling to find any VFD that can use an encoder for closed loop,
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Centroid is expensive for a reason, it's a full professional control as good as fanuc or heidenhain. And it costs under half of what a heidenhain 650 would.
I'd say your best bet is to drop the 5 axis stuff for now, there's a reason most people aren't doing it and it's because it's very hard. Get it working with 3 axis first and then add 4th.
Delta c2000+ series is a very good series of vfds with position control. As an example.
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There are some free options, but never used them so no idea how good or bad they are.
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Yeah plan is to get it working with 3 then add 4/5th but I don’t want to have to redo everything or swap out major components to add the 4/5th trying to get it right the first time.
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Adding 4th to linuxcnc is dead easy though since it doesn't require anything extra. Works very well. Even doing 5 axis positional works. The issues come with simultaneous as they require kinematics calculations and accurate kinematics modeling. Which requires automatic calibration routines. You also need dynamic works offsets. None of that is supported out of the box and requires tinkering and experimentation to get working.
If you're up for tinkering and making it work, it can be a fun project. But if you just want a system that works, the 5~k for 5 axis centroid will save you a lot of time and headaches.
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