The never-ending dilemma!
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18 Jun 2022 15:00 - 18 Jun 2022 15:02 #245397
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It is now 2022 and I still struggle in my decision in regards of Steppers, closed loop, regular or even servos. Servos are starting to look very price competitive now when you can get a a 750w servo with driver for like 200 Euros shipping included!
I'm about to convert a BF-30MVL (AKA PM-30MVL) and would love to get some advices in regards of motion hardware. I'm familiar with LinuxCNC and have converted a small PCB router and I own a MESA board that I have up and running in lab mode with some NEMA 17's.
Any point having servos on this kind of mill for hobby use?
Is closed loop steppers "the new black" or nearly pointless?
Kind regards/Stefan
I'm about to convert a BF-30MVL (AKA PM-30MVL) and would love to get some advices in regards of motion hardware. I'm familiar with LinuxCNC and have converted a small PCB router and I own a MESA board that I have up and running in lab mode with some NEMA 17's.
Any point having servos on this kind of mill for hobby use?
Is closed loop steppers "the new black" or nearly pointless?
Kind regards/Stefan
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18 Jun 2022 19:22 #245404
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Replied by arvidb on topic The never-ending dilemma!
I cannot solve you dilemma, but make sure any servos you buy are usable with LinuxCNC. "Driver communication via RS485 RS232" sounds no good. Make sure there's a step/dir, analog (or EtherCAT/other compatible bus) interface.
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18 Jun 2022 21:01 #245407
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+1Make sure there's a step/dir, analog (or EtherCAT/other compatible bus) interface.
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21 Jun 2022 23:00 #245562
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But there is a lot to be said for getting a motor and drive as a pair.
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My machines all use servos in my hobby workshop. Various second-hand ones cheap from eBay, with drives from Mesa and STMBL.Any point having servos on this kind of mill for hobby use?
But there is a lot to be said for getting a motor and drive as a pair.
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22 Jun 2022 00:31 - 22 Jun 2022 00:33 #245571
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Go for servos. Because the machine will be much quieter. And the axis can go faster. Precision, about the same.
But look at 80st-m03520 instead of that one, it has a bit more torque and still more than enough of rot speed.
Or even go down in size to 500w.
The servos need to be tuned though but there are plenty of people here that find that easy and can help.
But look at 80st-m03520 instead of that one, it has a bit more torque and still more than enough of rot speed.
Or even go down in size to 500w.
The servos need to be tuned though but there are plenty of people here that find that easy and can help.
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25 Jun 2022 19:24 #245876
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I got this from a Ali seller that I asked for a user manual of the A1-SVD15
I would love some inputs from any of you experienced users.
Is this driver usable for LCNC step/dir mode?
www.sah.rs/media/sah/techdocs/aasd_manual.pdf
I would love some inputs from any of you experienced users.
Is this driver usable for LCNC step/dir mode?
www.sah.rs/media/sah/techdocs/aasd_manual.pdf
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25 Jun 2022 22:05 #245884
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On page 28 and 29 it does mention step/dir and analog.
The manual is in Chinese for several types of drives making it impossible to come to a valid conclusion.
The link to the document is to a server in Srbia, so try to contact them to make sure you will get what you need.
The manual is in Chinese for several types of drives making it impossible to come to a valid conclusion.
The link to the document is to a server in Srbia, so try to contact them to make sure you will get what you need.
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27 Jun 2022 17:36 #246014
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I took the chance and ordered a set of 3 servo kits the manual when translated (By google translate) has som settings for pulse direction that I figured must be the same as step/dir in the stepper motor world.
Link to Chinese manual (Just open and translate in google translate and it get quite readable): drive.google.com/file/d/1LSUH0UmDB8NLfvMh5eLILDFCWBOYqryh/view
Link to Chinese manual (Just open and translate in google translate and it get quite readable): drive.google.com/file/d/1LSUH0UmDB8NLfvMh5eLILDFCWBOYqryh/view
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27 Jun 2022 18:29 #246017
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Replied by Isleape on topic The never-ending dilemma!
I would focus on page 28 were this "complicated" servo controls are describe more less a little. The direction and speed of the serve seems to be f3eed in on PV PP+ PP. and PD ...
CN2 - all other pins do secondary thing. I looks complex for a beginner to get this going I would say... ACT have servos with like 10 pins. May be you can carry over the escential signal to your device... Most of the signals are "mechanical" static setting stuff only... Page 39 shows the "speed Ctrl" from what it looks like to be. Signal PD (may be direction) and PP (speed) - depending on its configuration... this is just by the looks of it.
All the rest is monitoring and "setting" and other stuff. P. 112 confirms my guess.
Maybe its a copy of a genuin servo controler - so that there ma be the original manual that is avail in your language... and use that to get up to speed.... Again - I think this seems like overkill for axis control but I might be wrong there... as I hav'nt seen a lot regarding kW CNC machines.
CN2 - all other pins do secondary thing. I looks complex for a beginner to get this going I would say... ACT have servos with like 10 pins. May be you can carry over the escential signal to your device... Most of the signals are "mechanical" static setting stuff only... Page 39 shows the "speed Ctrl" from what it looks like to be. Signal PD (may be direction) and PP (speed) - depending on its configuration... this is just by the looks of it.
All the rest is monitoring and "setting" and other stuff. P. 112 confirms my guess.
Maybe its a copy of a genuin servo controler - so that there ma be the original manual that is avail in your language... and use that to get up to speed.... Again - I think this seems like overkill for axis control but I might be wrong there... as I hav'nt seen a lot regarding kW CNC machines.
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27 Jun 2022 19:53 - 09 Jul 2022 15:10 #246020
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Replied by stefan63 on topic The never-ending dilemma!
EDIT 1: I have now had some time to play with those servos and I finally have them up and running in step/dir mode.
I found this page and followed it but dit not have a instant success since I used a not so great BOB I didn't get it running until I adjusted the puls timing to 10000ns. Now its time to get the MESA board connected for further configuration.
Not my web but where I got the initial config (muck-solutions.com/?p=1824)
I guess I like challenges and are kind of a stubborn kind of guy so I hope I will pull it! I will fill in with some more info when I get to play with them.
I'm not sure but if I get them running fine it might be tempting for many other members of this community since the price is right
The humble stubborn/
I found this page and followed it but dit not have a instant success since I used a not so great BOB I didn't get it running until I adjusted the puls timing to 10000ns. Now its time to get the MESA board connected for further configuration.
Not my web but where I got the initial config (muck-solutions.com/?p=1824)
I guess I like challenges and are kind of a stubborn kind of guy so I hope I will pull it! I will fill in with some more info when I get to play with them.
I'm not sure but if I get them running fine it might be tempting for many other members of this community since the price is right
The humble stubborn/
Last edit: 09 Jul 2022 15:10 by stefan63.
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