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25 Oct 2022 04:31 #254989
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Guys, I'm still learning about LinuxCNC and it's the first time I'm going to do a Retrofitting of a machine with automatic tool changer, linear scales and Gui Probe Basic.
This machine will use 7i76E, 7i85 (linear scales) and 7i84 (add I/O), the interface I intend to use Probe Basic.
My initial question is related to the ATC, which is a 16 position Carousel, I know that it will have several mandatory signals such as: Z axis exchange positioning, open/closed pinch signals, (in this case, ATC goes up/down as well), forwards/backwards ATC, tool position 1, (carousel has normal motor with inverter drive plus brake), still air cone cleaning signal.
In addition to a suggestion from you which is the best way to apply all this, my main question is related to the tool position signal, I use a gray binary encoder, or I can make a logic, I don't know if it's possible (I think it's more economical viable) like: I turn on the machine , make axes and magazine references (it will position tool 1) and from now on I make tool changes, making a tool count for plus or minus (by pulse on the motor inverter) (choose the closest tool in the sense of rotation) using as a tool counter? If there is a problem with the exchange, ask for the magazine reference again?
These are hypotheses, as I have the impression that other CNC controllers such as Mitsubishi, Fanuc use similar systems without encoders….
This machine will use 7i76E, 7i85 (linear scales) and 7i84 (add I/O), the interface I intend to use Probe Basic.
My initial question is related to the ATC, which is a 16 position Carousel, I know that it will have several mandatory signals such as: Z axis exchange positioning, open/closed pinch signals, (in this case, ATC goes up/down as well), forwards/backwards ATC, tool position 1, (carousel has normal motor with inverter drive plus brake), still air cone cleaning signal.
In addition to a suggestion from you which is the best way to apply all this, my main question is related to the tool position signal, I use a gray binary encoder, or I can make a logic, I don't know if it's possible (I think it's more economical viable) like: I turn on the machine , make axes and magazine references (it will position tool 1) and from now on I make tool changes, making a tool count for plus or minus (by pulse on the motor inverter) (choose the closest tool in the sense of rotation) using as a tool counter? If there is a problem with the exchange, ask for the magazine reference again?
These are hypotheses, as I have the impression that other CNC controllers such as Mitsubishi, Fanuc use similar systems without encoders….
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25 Oct 2022 10:45 #255014
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You have a carousel tool changer, so use carousel component
linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/carousel.9.html
Here are some more search results and examples to get a better idea, it does look complicated, but it is not, just take things step by step.
Had the same issue back when i used it for a 16 pocket tool changer, spent half a day trying to figure out everything till my brain started melting, gave it a try and nothing worked! Went out for a coffee, came back and went line by line, i about 20 minutes it was changing tools perfectly!
www.google.com/search?q=carousel++site%3...ABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz
linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/carousel.9.html
Here are some more search results and examples to get a better idea, it does look complicated, but it is not, just take things step by step.
Had the same issue back when i used it for a 16 pocket tool changer, spent half a day trying to figure out everything till my brain started melting, gave it a try and nothing worked! Went out for a coffee, came back and went line by line, i about 20 minutes it was changing tools perfectly!
www.google.com/search?q=carousel++site%3...ABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz
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27 Oct 2022 03:17 #255160
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I have another question regarding the machine… It will have a spindle servo motor (Mitsubishi) with 7.5kw at 15000 rpm and direct Drive with spindle, driven by an 11kw Delta inverter. How do I need to do automatic tool changes, what type of encoder would I recommend using due to high rotation, as the normal ones would heat up a lot….
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27 Oct 2022 21:39 #255248
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I doubt that you need an encoder on a 15,000 rpm spindle, I don't think that you will be threading with it?
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28 Oct 2022 02:38 #255281
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Sorry Andy, I honestly didn't understand much of what you wanted to tell me. This is my engine plate. I was researching this encoder here in China is it possible? I also thought when making the change call the M19 can I put low rotation like S100?
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28 Oct 2022 10:41 #255292
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Do you need orientation (M19) for a tool changer?
If there is no encoder now, then how did the original control do it?
Perhaps there is a physical alignment mechanism?
If there is no encoder now, then how did the original control do it?
Perhaps there is a physical alignment mechanism?
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28 Oct 2022 15:50 #255306
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So will this manual encoder work? There will be no mechanical device for the M19, it must be electronic. This signal in LinuxCNC is what input-index can I check in halscope (halscope>pins>encoder>input-index)?
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28 Oct 2022 17:19 #255313
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Yes, that encoder will probably work.
But, this is a retrofit isn't it? And the machine already has a tool changer?
So, how did the original controller align the spindle for tool change?
Does it even need it?
But, this is a retrofit isn't it? And the machine already has a tool changer?
So, how did the original controller align the spindle for tool change?
Does it even need it?
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28 Oct 2022 21:07 #255337
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Ah, now I believe I really understand your question….. Yes the machine is a Retrofiting, however it originally had a high and low rpm gearbox, and the maximum rotation was 6000 rpm. I bought it scrap and it came without the spindle motor, this 15,000 rpm Mitsubishi I already had and I decided to change the entire mechanical project to direct-drive and eliminate all that mess… As it is a small machine with a table size of 800 x550 mm I decided to leave it with more rotation. That's why the old encoder used for M19 was with a belt and a maximum of 6000 rpm (I tested the signal from the original encoder and it was bad too).
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28 Oct 2022 21:22 #255340
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OK, that makes sense then. Have you found somewhere to mount the encoder?I bought it scrap and it came without the spindle motor,
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