Issues with setting up 3 axis mill

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06 Nov 2022 08:29 - 06 Nov 2022 08:39 #256047 by cadpete
I am building a 3 axis vertical mill and have spent more than a month trying to get the motors to run.iI am using raspberry pi 4 and MESA 7i76En  step generator with 3 CL57T (v4) stepper controllers (closed loop)..
X and Y axis both work fine in pncconfig but I always get encoder fault on the CL57T for Z tests as soon as I try to move it.

So far I have tried -swapping motor positions - always Z died so not motor.
swapping controller positions - always Z dies so not contrroller.
Swapping encoder leads - always z drive died so not leads swapping MESA stepper leads - always Z died 
swapping order of mesa connections - always Z died 
I have noticed that often on moving X or Y the Z motor will make a noise, without movement.

Anyone have any additional ideas to test? 
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06 Nov 2022 11:28 #256057 by chris@cnc
Hi,
where is your motor wired?
X-Axis is stepgen.00
Y-Axis is stepgen.01
Z-Axis is stepgen.03 
What is on stepgen.02?



 

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06 Nov 2022 12:49 #256062 by cadpete
Was on Stepgen 2 but was trying 3 to eliminate that as an option

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06 Nov 2022 13:12 - 06 Nov 2022 13:15 #256064 by chris@cnc
i mean on your mesa 7i76e card. Stepgen 3 is the top socket on TB2
your issue sound like a wiring problem
 
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06 Nov 2022 13:18 #256065 by cadpete
I understand. I was using Stepgen 02, but on the files sent I had tried using Stepgen 03 to eliminate the Mesa card Stepgen 02 from the error chain in case it had been damaged in the previous attempts

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06 Nov 2022 14:34 #256069 by PCW
Are you having this problem with LinuxCNC or pncconf?
The noise from Z when you move X,Y really sounds like a wiring issue

Suggestions:

Test with LinuxCNC, not pncconf

Change this hal line:

set setp hm2_7i76e.0.dpll.01.timer-us -50
to
setp hm2_7i76e.0.dpll.01.timer-us -200

Check the Z wiring

Change the step/dir wiring to single ended:
Drive DIR+ and PUL+ to 7I76E +5V
Drive DIR- and PUL- to 7I76E DIR- and PUL-

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06 Nov 2022 16:24 #256080 by tommylight

So far I have tried -swapping motor positions - always Z died so not motor.
swapping controller positions - always Z dies so not contrroller.
Swapping encoder leads - always z drive died so not leads swapping MESA stepper leads - always Z died 
swapping order of mesa connections - always Z died 

The only way that is physically possible is the motor is wired wrong or dead, nothing else. You have mixed windings on Z.

I have noticed that often on moving X or Y the Z motor will make a noise, without movement.

This is always power wiring related OR the dir pin of Z axis is wired to step pins of other axis.
Or your explanation is mixing things up.

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06 Nov 2022 17:22 #256084 by cakeslob
Hey , I have the same motors, I had the same issue, and Ive seen several others on the forum who have had the same issue.

- Check encoder wires are not loose at driver end (mine was one wire came loose)
- check encoder wires are the same as other drives (other guys on forum had this issue)

- Put drive in to open loop mode and try that, if it works in open loop mode, its an encoder thing

I have noticed that often on moving X or Y the Z motor will make a noise, without movement.


I have this with all 3 axis, I assume its a driver current tuning thing, but I dont want to install the china software to adjust the settings, so Im not sure.

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07 Nov 2022 07:40 #256118 by cadpete
Thanks all for your suggestions - gives me more to check next weekend - only time I get to play :)

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08 Nov 2022 10:25 #256199 by andypugh
A system that runs in pncconf and not in LinuxCNC often points to a problem with the "enable" wiring. (ie, it is actually configured as a disable). With most stepper drivers it is best to just leave enable inputs unconnected (but check)

A stepper drive should not be able to damage a 7i76. But a motor can certainly damage a stepper driver. Especially if one phase goes open-circuit.

If the motor is wired 2-phase bipolar then you should see a low resistance between A+ to A- and B+ to B- and nothing between any A and any B. It's not unknown for stepper motors to be mis-wired.
It's harder to work out if the phase direction is wrong, which would reverse the motor and lead to an encoder-to-motor plausibility fault. (But you say that the motors have all run?)
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