Gentoo Image, Which Applications are in and Which are Out
11 Dec 2022 07:45 - 12 Dec 2022 06:53 #259182
by Bari
Gentoo Image, Which Applications are in and Which are Out was created by Bari
We are working on Gentoo image for LCNC installs.
What is in and will be working is:
LinuxCNC
XFCE - desktop or LXQT - desktop, your choice
Okular - pdf viewer
Firefox - browser, should this be in or different smaller footprint browser such as Links with X support or Vivaldi?
Inkscape - graphics conversion and util
Featherpad - text editor
Hexchat - IRC
QT Framework
Graphical Network Manager
Qterminal - graphical terminal
Xarchiver
Filezilla
What is not included:
Audio support
Cups - printing support
Wifi
Bluetooth
USB auto mounting
Open or Libre Office
Gimp
AV codecs
VLC, smplayer, MPV, etc. etc.
Thunderbird, Evolution - email
NTFS support
NFS
Samba
What else HAS to be IN or OUT? Now is the time to make your requests for any apps or utils.
What is in and will be working is:
LinuxCNC
XFCE - desktop or LXQT - desktop, your choice
Okular - pdf viewer
Firefox - browser, should this be in or different smaller footprint browser such as Links with X support or Vivaldi?
Inkscape - graphics conversion and util
Featherpad - text editor
Hexchat - IRC
QT Framework
Graphical Network Manager
Qterminal - graphical terminal
Xarchiver
Filezilla
What is not included:
Audio support
Cups - printing support
Wifi
Bluetooth
USB auto mounting
Open or Libre Office
Gimp
AV codecs
VLC, smplayer, MPV, etc. etc.
Thunderbird, Evolution - email
NTFS support
NFS
Samba
What else HAS to be IN or OUT? Now is the time to make your requests for any apps or utils.
Last edit: 12 Dec 2022 06:53 by Bari. Reason: spelling, more info
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11 Dec 2022 08:47 #259184
by XXCoder
Replied by XXCoder on topic Gentoo Image, Which Applications are in and Which are Out
Possible some sort of basic file sender/getter program thats not samba. Tiny and easy to setup/
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12 Dec 2022 02:11 #259234
by Bari
Replied by Bari on topic Gentoo Image, Which Applications are in and Which are Out
Adding Filezilla filezilla-project.org/
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12 Dec 2022 02:18 #259235
by tommylight
I use it daily.
Replied by tommylight on topic Gentoo Image, Which Applications are in and Which are Out
Wanted to say the same thing last night, but i wondered how many people use it.Adding Filezilla filezilla-project.org/
I use it daily.
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12 Dec 2022 02:20 #259237
by Bari
Replied by Bari on topic Gentoo Image, Which Applications are in and Which are Out
Also includes Xarchiver
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12 Dec 2022 02:26 - 12 Dec 2022 03:21 #259238
by Bari
Replied by Bari on topic Gentoo Image, Which Applications are in and Which are Out
Will be using Vivaldi vs Firefox for the browser
vivaldi.com/ uses way less memory and works with Chrome extensions
vivaldi.com/features/ad-blocker/
vivaldi.com/features/privacy-security/
But maybe a license problem? vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-viv...browser-open-source/
vivaldi.com/ uses way less memory and works with Chrome extensions
vivaldi.com/features/ad-blocker/
vivaldi.com/features/privacy-security/
But maybe a license problem? vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-viv...browser-open-source/
Last edit: 12 Dec 2022 03:21 by Bari.
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13 Dec 2022 07:58 #259301
by Bari
Replied by Bari on topic Gentoo Image, Which Applications are in and Which are Out
Running into browser redistribution issues. It might end up being Gnome Browser (used to be Epiphany). The user can always build whatever browser they wish after the install as well. wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Web/
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14 Dec 2022 21:50 #259505
by andypugh
But without the heft of a full IDE, or the massive dependencies of gedit.
It's also the default editor in some of the sample configs (though most still have gedit. Which I should fix as it isn't on the LiveCD...
Replied by andypugh on topic Gentoo Image, Which Applications are in and Which are Out
Is Geany an option? It's a bit smarter (picks out functions in open files, syntax highlighting etc)Featherpad - text editor
But without the heft of a full IDE, or the massive dependencies of gedit.
It's also the default editor in some of the sample configs (though most still have gedit. Which I should fix as it isn't on the LiveCD...
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14 Dec 2022 23:23 #259518
by Bari
Replied by Bari on topic Gentoo Image, Which Applications are in and Which are Out
Yes, and it's GTK. Will try instead of featherpad or in addition to.
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15 Dec 2022 02:56 - 16 Dec 2022 20:40 #259531
by NTULINUX
Replied by NTULINUX on topic Gentoo Image, Which Applications are in and Which are Out
Added:
FileZilla
Geany
Epiphany
OpenCV (for LinuxCNC camview)
Guvcview (lightweight camera view/capture)
For qtpyvcp, I have:
pypi.org/project/distro/
pypi.org/project/SQLAlchemy/
I need to add an ebuild for deepdiff:
pypi.org/project/deepdiff/
Once that's done, this image will be ready for not only LinuxCNC w/ PREEMPT_RT but qtpyvcp as well.
edit: deepdiff is now complete:
github.com/NTULINUX/ntu_overlay/tree/main/dev-python/deepdiff
Other things that will be left out are RAID and LVM.
Lots of docs will be written on how to get started, the installation process and an installer which can be run from systemrescuecd:
www.system-rescue.org/Download/
No camera support has been added in yet and I'm not sure yet how much this will grow the image.
edit: OpenCV added about 40MB (uncompressed) to the image.
Secondly, when it comes to kernels, there's two options. I either trim the Debian kernel config down or make my own.
If I make my own it'd be:
Wired NICs:
Realtek
Atheros
Broadcom
Intel
Disk Device controllers:
AHCI
NVMe
Intel PIIX4
ATI IXP
Intel Volume Management Device Driver (VMD) <- I've seen some weird Intel devices use this
CD-ROM
USB:
UHCI
OHCI
ECHI
XCHI
USB mass storage
Filesystems:
EXT4
XFS
FAT+EXFAT
Anyone need BTRFS or Reiser?
Parallel port cards:
FIFO/DMA support
PARPORT_PC
PARPORT_PC_SUPERIO
PARPORT_SERIAL
PARPORT_AX88796
PARPORT_1284
PPDEV (Support for user-space parallel port device drivers)
Do we need PCMCIA support?
GPU support:
Intel
Nouveau (nvidia)
Radeon driver (HD 2000-6000 series, maybe some HD 7000-8000 cards if not covered by AMDGPU?)
AMDGPU with additional backward compatibility for:
Southern Islands: R9 270, 270X, 280, 280X, R7 240, 250, 250X, 265, and R5 240
Sea Islands: R7 260 (Bonaire), R7 260X (Bonaire XTX), R9 290 (Hawaii Pro), R9 290X (Hawaii XT), and R9 295X2 (Vesuvius)
And then for cameras, if I build my own, it'd be the USB UVC device driver unless people are using things like microscopes or other devices which have their own unique driver. Most USB cameras fall under the UVC driver.
The Debian kernel seems like overkill and a custom kernel I would assume would cover most use cases. If in doubt, pop your camera in and run `lsmod` and post the output. This will give me a general idea of the systems most people are running with LinuxCNC, or if they're all pretty unique in their own way. I'd personally like to avoid using the Debian config as a baseline if possible..
FileZilla
Geany
Epiphany
OpenCV (for LinuxCNC camview)
Guvcview (lightweight camera view/capture)
For qtpyvcp, I have:
pypi.org/project/distro/
pypi.org/project/SQLAlchemy/
I need to add an ebuild for deepdiff:
pypi.org/project/deepdiff/
Once that's done, this image will be ready for not only LinuxCNC w/ PREEMPT_RT but qtpyvcp as well.
edit: deepdiff is now complete:
github.com/NTULINUX/ntu_overlay/tree/main/dev-python/deepdiff
Other things that will be left out are RAID and LVM.
Lots of docs will be written on how to get started, the installation process and an installer which can be run from systemrescuecd:
www.system-rescue.org/Download/
No camera support has been added in yet and I'm not sure yet how much this will grow the image.
edit: OpenCV added about 40MB (uncompressed) to the image.
Secondly, when it comes to kernels, there's two options. I either trim the Debian kernel config down or make my own.
If I make my own it'd be:
Wired NICs:
Realtek
Atheros
Broadcom
Intel
Disk Device controllers:
AHCI
NVMe
Intel PIIX4
ATI IXP
Intel Volume Management Device Driver (VMD) <- I've seen some weird Intel devices use this
CD-ROM
USB:
UHCI
OHCI
ECHI
XCHI
USB mass storage
Filesystems:
EXT4
XFS
FAT+EXFAT
Anyone need BTRFS or Reiser?
Parallel port cards:
FIFO/DMA support
PARPORT_PC
PARPORT_PC_SUPERIO
PARPORT_SERIAL
PARPORT_AX88796
PARPORT_1284
PPDEV (Support for user-space parallel port device drivers)
Do we need PCMCIA support?
GPU support:
Intel
Nouveau (nvidia)
Radeon driver (HD 2000-6000 series, maybe some HD 7000-8000 cards if not covered by AMDGPU?)
AMDGPU with additional backward compatibility for:
Southern Islands: R9 270, 270X, 280, 280X, R7 240, 250, 250X, 265, and R5 240
Sea Islands: R7 260 (Bonaire), R7 260X (Bonaire XTX), R9 290 (Hawaii Pro), R9 290X (Hawaii XT), and R9 295X2 (Vesuvius)
And then for cameras, if I build my own, it'd be the USB UVC device driver unless people are using things like microscopes or other devices which have their own unique driver. Most USB cameras fall under the UVC driver.
The Debian kernel seems like overkill and a custom kernel I would assume would cover most use cases. If in doubt, pop your camera in and run `lsmod` and post the output. This will give me a general idea of the systems most people are running with LinuxCNC, or if they're all pretty unique in their own way. I'd personally like to avoid using the Debian config as a baseline if possible..
Last edit: 16 Dec 2022 20:40 by NTULINUX. Reason: fix typo
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