Advice for Metal 3D Printer Project

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04 Dec 2023 13:22 #287188 by Caput
Hello,

I'm a PhD student in Mechanical Enginnering Departmant and planning to build a metal 3D printer from scratch just for research purposes. In that project I will build a 3 axis gantry and aiming to control a powerful Continious Wave (CW) fiber laser which will melt the wire that will be fed to the focus point of the laser (aka Wire-Fed Laser Metal Deposition).

Given the constraints of my research budget, I intend to use stepper motors with encoders and appropriate motor drivers to ensure precision. To be honest, my knowledge about such a system is limited but I will learn and implement what I have learned during the process thus your advice and insights will be immensely valuable to me during this learning process.

I am particularly interested in understanding whether LinuxCNC is a suitable choice for controlling such a system, or if there are alternative systems better suited for this application. Additionally, I am seeking guidance on selecting a compatible controller board that aligns with the requirements of this unique project.

Thank you for your time and consideration

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04 Dec 2023 15:18 - 04 Dec 2023 15:18 #287197 by andypugh
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I think that LinuxCNC would be an excellent choice, as it allows for the level of customisation that you are likely to need.

I have seen laser deposition metal printers on YouTube. They tend to have more than three axes, and this might be worth considering.

Can I enquire which University you are studying at?

I would suggest looking at the closed-loop stepper motors that are now available.

It might be worth looking on eBay for an abandoned CNC project. What sort of scale of machine are you thinking of?
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04 Dec 2023 15:48 #287199 by Caput
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Thank you for your reply.

- We want to begin with a 3-Axis system, mainly focusing on making simple shapes. Our main goal is research, so we'll use this setup to explore and understand the procedure better but it would be great to have more than 3-Axis in the future
- Hacettepe University, Ankara/Turkey.
- I am looking for leadshine closed loop stepper motors but I'm always open for suggestions
-Sadly, it is not possible for us to buy used/pre-owned things due to the university policy.
-I'm thinking of 500 mm x 500 mm x 300 mm (roughly 20 inch x 20 inch x 12 inch)

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06 Dec 2023 14:38 #287354 by andypugh
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-Sadly, it is not possible for us to buy used/pre-owned things due to the university policy.
-I'm thinking of 500 mm x 500 mm x 300 mm (roughly 20 inch x 20 inch x 12 inch)

There are numerous designs for large-format 3D printers and routers out there. 
I suspect that you would need something a bit stiffer than the average printer, as the optical fibre bundle is likely to be heavier and stiffer than 3D filament. 

Conversely I don't think that the classic router designs are a particulary good choice, as the Z height tends to be restricted, and the design is likely to become cumbersome if raised. 

I would exepct the design to have to consider sparks and bits of flash-frozen metal flying about? So any linear guides and drive components would need to be covered and/or heat resistant. 

I tthink that I would propbably design this as a Core-XY with a falling bed. Pretty much exactly like the Prusa XL. It would almost be sensible to by one of those (except for the long lead time) and design your head to match the toolchanger. 
But I think that the sparks and heat would make that idea not work out. 

Maybe look at using metal chain in place of belts in the Core-XY design. Or steel cables. Though in practice, for a research project, belts would be easier, and are simple to replace if and when needed. 
 
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06 Dec 2023 16:19 #287364 by tommylight
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I tthink that I would propbably design this as a Core-XY with a falling bed. Pretty much exactly like the Prusa XL. It would almost be sensible to by one of those (except for the long lead time) and design your head to match the toolchanger. 

Big Bambu lab ones, VZ bot, Creality K1, Voron Trident and Legacy, etc, use the same core XY with up/down moving bed, VZ, Voron, Hypercube, are open source and can be modified at will, VZ and Voron can be made with metal parts readily available.
There are several Laser sintering printers out there, no idea if any are open source
www.youtube.com/results?search_query=diy+sls+3d+metal+printer
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07 Dec 2023 15:27 #287452 by Caput
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Stiffness is a very important thing to consider, thus I'm expecting that the system will be heavy. That is why I'm considering lead screws/ball screws to maintain stable motion.

I was imagining that it will be very similar to a classic CNC router until I read your comment about Z height. I will definitely consider the idea of the falling bed.

In fact, wire-fed laser metal deposition systems seem much more superior to WAAM (Wire Arc Additive Manufacturing) systems in terms of flying metal pieces :). But I also would like to thank you for reminding me of that topic as well. We may need to isolate the inside of the gantry.

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I tthink that I would propbably design this as a Core-XY with a falling bed. Pretty much exactly like the Prusa XL. It would almost be sensible to by one of those (except for the long lead time) and design your head to match the toolchanger. 

Big Bambu lab ones, VZ bot, Creality K1, Voron Trident and Legacy, etc, use the same core XY with up/down moving bed, VZ, Voron, Hypercube, are open source and can be modified at will, VZ and Voron can be made with metal parts readily available.
There are several Laser sintering printers out there, no idea if any are open source
www.youtube.com/results?search_query=diy+sls+3d+metal+printer

Thank you for your contribution. I will be looking at the designs that you mentioned.


Which board do you suggest me to accomplish all these requirements? There will certainly be at least 4 stepper motors to move the gantry, 1 for wire feeding system. There will be laser to be controlled and some sensors such as at least two thermo couples, 1 infrared pyrometer, may be a proximity sensor and only god knows what I would like to add to the system in the future :) .

Thank you again for your valuable comments.

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07 Dec 2023 15:31 - 07 Dec 2023 15:35 #287455 by Caput
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I couldn't properly quote the posts. Sorry about that
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07 Dec 2023 15:50 #287457 by tommylight
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Start with a Mesa 7i96S as it can be found easily and it can be expanded a lot for whatever you might need.
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