Setup for encoder feedback
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01 Feb 2024 10:21 - 01 Feb 2024 10:24 #292130
by Bambusbjoern
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Hi everyone,
I'd like to add encoder feedback to my cnc and not sure how to best tackle the whole thing.
currently im running open loop with a 4-axis_TB6560 Stepper driver, but i got to change that anyway cause the x-drivers is toast (no clue why, powered up the next day and dead) driving 3 nema23 bipolar 3Nm steppers and 4th axis some time(would like to integrate it once the whole system is overhauled) and my spinle is a 4kw HF one, driven by a VFD controlled via 0-10V without feedback (would like to add that as well).
I'm completely new to that whole mesa stuff and not that well versed with linux. (but got a bit more than the basics of python, and serveral other programming languages)
So my question is:
-Should i buy 4 new closed loop drivers or go for encoder feedback via mesa card (i currently only use the pcs p/port and a p/port pci card)?
If closed loop driver:
-Which should i get (the choice too is overwhelming)?
If mesa's the way to go, thats opening a whole new box of questions:
-What do i have to get for that setup?
-Is the mesa 5i25t a viable option (cause available and got pci on my board)?
-Do I need berakout boards?
-If yes, is the C10 or the cheapo chinese "Mach3 Breakout board" a viable choice (cause i already have one of each)?
Thanks in advance
Greetings Lukas
I'd like to add encoder feedback to my cnc and not sure how to best tackle the whole thing.
currently im running open loop with a 4-axis_TB6560 Stepper driver, but i got to change that anyway cause the x-drivers is toast (no clue why, powered up the next day and dead) driving 3 nema23 bipolar 3Nm steppers and 4th axis some time(would like to integrate it once the whole system is overhauled) and my spinle is a 4kw HF one, driven by a VFD controlled via 0-10V without feedback (would like to add that as well).
I'm completely new to that whole mesa stuff and not that well versed with linux. (but got a bit more than the basics of python, and serveral other programming languages)
So my question is:
-Should i buy 4 new closed loop drivers or go for encoder feedback via mesa card (i currently only use the pcs p/port and a p/port pci card)?
If closed loop driver:
-Which should i get (the choice too is overwhelming)?
If mesa's the way to go, thats opening a whole new box of questions:
-What do i have to get for that setup?
-Is the mesa 5i25t a viable option (cause available and got pci on my board)?
-Do I need berakout boards?
-If yes, is the C10 or the cheapo chinese "Mach3 Breakout board" a viable choice (cause i already have one of each)?
Thanks in advance
Greetings Lukas
Last edit: 01 Feb 2024 10:24 by Bambusbjoern. Reason: added current spindle setup
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01 Feb 2024 14:38 #292137
by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic Setup for encoder feedback
In general systems with feedback to LinuxCNC are more complex to setup
so unless there is a major benefit (say with linear scales) I would just use standard
step/dir drives, The 5I25T will work with your existing breakout boards.
Encoder feedback on the spindle is useful for things like rigid tapping.
You can also use closed loop step drives but in this case the feedback is just
local to the drive.
Since you are replacing all the drives, EtherCAT might also be an option though
that may make supporting the analog spindle and its feedback awkward
so unless there is a major benefit (say with linear scales) I would just use standard
step/dir drives, The 5I25T will work with your existing breakout boards.
Encoder feedback on the spindle is useful for things like rigid tapping.
You can also use closed loop step drives but in this case the feedback is just
local to the drive.
Since you are replacing all the drives, EtherCAT might also be an option though
that may make supporting the analog spindle and its feedback awkward
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01 Feb 2024 15:25 #292139
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How difficult is it to implement feedback via the 5i25?
Which cosed/open loop drivers would you recommend?
I figured the spindle feedback would help getting the spindle speed more consistent (had oscillations in speed, but there are several possible reasons for that)
I used to have my steppers running un only 12v which made them quite poor performing. What voltage would you recommend for my steppers?
Which cosed/open loop drivers would you recommend?
I figured the spindle feedback would help getting the spindle speed more consistent (had oscillations in speed, but there are several possible reasons for that)
I used to have my steppers running un only 12v which made them quite poor performing. What voltage would you recommend for my steppers?
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01 Feb 2024 16:20 #292141
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Replied by tommylight on topic Setup for encoder feedback
For stepper drives where money is not a factor, go for Lam Technologies drives, they start at 100 euro and up, they have some with encoder feedback, etc.
In general, DM542 from Leadshine are also good but i would choose DM742 or DM860.
For closed loop, any Leadshine should do just fine.
For cheap, really cheap, the wrongly named TB6600 that use TBnnS109 chip are very good and do have some protections, and at 12$ are very good value. Even real TB6600 are OK at 15-20$, but i preffer the S109 variant as they are a bit smoother.
Be aware that some S109 drives will have issues with the DIP switches and need some soldering to fix.
In general, DM542 from Leadshine are also good but i would choose DM742 or DM860.
For closed loop, any Leadshine should do just fine.
For cheap, really cheap, the wrongly named TB6600 that use TBnnS109 chip are very good and do have some protections, and at 12$ are very good value. Even real TB6600 are OK at 15-20$, but i preffer the S109 variant as they are a bit smoother.
Be aware that some S109 drives will have issues with the DIP switches and need some soldering to fix.
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