Ye old *axis following error...
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02 Oct 2024 04:03 #311145
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Ok, so I've been getting x or z axis following errors.
I can't see any errors from bios expeditions
Shielded cable used.
Using a pair of 8i20 cards for the servos.
Modified fanuc servo motors with a,b,z encoders - I do the thump on startup.
it seems to do errors at any speed fast/slow. I can't pin down what the cause is. Tried a multitude of servo tuning settings, still does the same. If it was a bios expedition, is there a way to track this, as running axis from a terminal dosent show any errors.
I can't see any errors from bios expeditions
Shielded cable used.
Using a pair of 8i20 cards for the servos.
Modified fanuc servo motors with a,b,z encoders - I do the thump on startup.
it seems to do errors at any speed fast/slow. I can't pin down what the cause is. Tried a multitude of servo tuning settings, still does the same. If it was a bios expedition, is there a way to track this, as running axis from a terminal dosent show any errors.
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02 Oct 2024 04:19 #311147
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Can you provide a halscope plot of the velocity and following error?
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02 Oct 2024 04:36 #311148
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I'll organise one, the error that occurs is usually during a rapid movement not possible to catch and map usually as it occurs randomly.
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02 Oct 2024 04:43 #311149
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You can trigger halscope on a following error to capture the actual error
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03 Oct 2024 23:32 #311257
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So, I was checking halscope and modded the "P" value higher - which gave less error. Then i found that It was running off more frequently. So, ive had too high a "P" value. The reason for this really is when I've looked up pid tuning of 8i20 cards you've reccomended setting as high a D value as is stable, but there's no range stated, - is 3 a high value? Is 500 a high value? I don't seem to get good position holding with a high d value as P generally ends up around 185, which you have said before is pretty much saturated.
I'm running a high thread rate 225000 off the top of my head.
I'm running a high thread rate 225000 off the top of my head.
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04 Oct 2024 01:42 #311259
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I would add as much D term as possible until you reach instability
Have you added FF2? (the FF2 value depends on the system inertia)
Have you added FF2? (the FF2 value depends on the system inertia)
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09 Oct 2024 03:05 #311623
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Ok, so what do you mean by instability?
D tends to make it be slow to reach position once over 25, with d at 25 and p at 285 it holds position very well on movement. The problem is while on rapid movement it tends to stick and give a following error, seems to be on rapid moves, - there's no error bit that sets if the 8i20 goes overvoltage is there? - straws, I have no braking resistors fitted and wondering whether this may be an issue. The bus voltage doesn't seem to track well with halscope.
D tends to make it be slow to reach position once over 25, with d at 25 and p at 285 it holds position very well on movement. The problem is while on rapid movement it tends to stick and give a following error, seems to be on rapid moves, - there's no error bit that sets if the 8i20 goes overvoltage is there? - straws, I have no braking resistors fitted and wondering whether this may be an issue. The bus voltage doesn't seem to track well with halscope.
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09 Oct 2024 04:51 #311624
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By instability I mean you will start to seen oscillations if D is too high
Once D is as high as possible, you can do the same with the P term
(raise it until you get oscillations and then back off about 30%)
What is the issue with plotting the bus voltage?
Can you provide a plot of the position error and PID output?
Once D is as high as possible, you can do the same with the P term
(raise it until you get oscillations and then back off about 30%)
What is the issue with plotting the bus voltage?
Can you provide a plot of the position error and PID output?
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03 Nov 2024 22:44 - 03 Nov 2024 22:45 #313729
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After much stuffing around. I believe I found the problem.
The machine I have went thru a flood - it was 4 metres underwater- about 4 and a bit washing machines in American speak.
There's a rust mark in each ballscrew where it was parked. It plays up rapiding in these areas
The machine I have went thru a flood - it was 4 metres underwater- about 4 and a bit washing machines in American speak.
There's a rust mark in each ballscrew where it was parked. It plays up rapiding in these areas
Last edit: 03 Nov 2024 22:45 by M4MazakUser. Reason: Extra stuff
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03 Nov 2024 22:48 #313730
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Boy I've got a lot better at tuning my 8i20 cards though!
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