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14 May 2018 17:36 #110734
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I hope this is the proper place for this question. (If not I apologize).
I have Some ugly tool paths, it's been years since I set this up, (I have just put up with it all this time).
As I recall I did the best I could back then, I would like to address it now.
Can someone please point me to a specific area in the manual that would affect this sort of thing saving me time digging through the entire process?
Thanks in advance
I have Some ugly tool paths, it's been years since I set this up, (I have just put up with it all this time).
As I recall I did the best I could back then, I would like to address it now.
Can someone please point me to a specific area in the manual that would affect this sort of thing saving me time digging through the entire process?
Thanks in advance
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14 May 2018 19:07 #110735
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Could you better describe your problem, or post a picture that shows the problem you are trying to describe?
"Ugly tool paths", or "Choppy tool path" doesn't tell us much.
"Ugly tool paths", or "Choppy tool path" doesn't tell us much.
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14 May 2018 22:31 #110745
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Hi Todd,
I looked around for an example to photograph and I really don't have a good one at the moment (I just cleaned out a bunch as fate would have it).
What is happening is on straight lines it is leaving a smooth clean cut (wood and aluminum), on angles and arches it leaves facets, like an arch with too few lines making up the curve.
I hope that helps, I'll keep looking for on example if this dosen't get it.
Thanks, Allen
I looked around for an example to photograph and I really don't have a good one at the moment (I just cleaned out a bunch as fate would have it).
What is happening is on straight lines it is leaving a smooth clean cut (wood and aluminum), on angles and arches it leaves facets, like an arch with too few lines making up the curve.
I hope that helps, I'll keep looking for on example if this dosen't get it.
Thanks, Allen
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15 May 2018 12:28 #110760
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Ah, yes I am well familiar with such a problem. It is most likely not a Linuxcnc problem. But I'll do my best to help you mitigate it.
I'll need some more info about the machine. What type of drive system does it have? (motors, screws, racks...)
How good is the structure of the machine? What type of machine is it?
This type of problem is most often caused by physical deficiencies in the machines drive systems. Most commonly problems with a rack and pinion drive.
I'll need some more info about the machine. What type of drive system does it have? (motors, screws, racks...)
How good is the structure of the machine? What type of machine is it?
This type of problem is most often caused by physical deficiencies in the machines drive systems. Most commonly problems with a rack and pinion drive.
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15 May 2018 15:58 #110769
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It's an old (20 years) oddly built gantry, it runs Anaheim steppers and drive (I know you are way familiar with those), and lead screws with recirculating ball nuts.
I've long suspected the way the machine was built being the issue.
You have confirmed my suspicions, as much as I'd love to address it I need to stay focused on other things right now.
I figured if it was a "Configuration" thing I could simply adjust it and that would be easy enough to do.
My idea to fix it would require a lot of time, parts, and materials.
Time being the real stumbling block at the moment.
Thanks again, Allen
I've long suspected the way the machine was built being the issue.
You have confirmed my suspicions, as much as I'd love to address it I need to stay focused on other things right now.
I figured if it was a "Configuration" thing I could simply adjust it and that would be easy enough to do.
My idea to fix it would require a lot of time, parts, and materials.
Time being the real stumbling block at the moment.
Thanks again, Allen
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15 May 2018 16:30 - 15 May 2018 16:32 #110770
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If the machine used servos, it could have been a tuning issue, but since it is steppers, that means it is almost certainly a mechanical problem.
Something is causing one of the axis to move in a jerky rather than smooth fashion.
I have to maintain two large moving gantry routers at work that run Fanuc controls. And when they start doing this, it is usually one or more bad bearings on their pinion shafts, or the intermediate shaft for the belt reduction that drive the gantry.
The light duty routers we have that use Anaheim stepper drives, have rack and pinion drives, and when the pinion gears get worn out they exhibit this behavior.
If your machine dosen't use rack and pinion, look at things like worn/misaligned couplers, end support bearings, worn, over tightened or misaligned belt drive, or a bent or misaligned ball screw (or lead screw). It doesn't take much of a vibration to cause a big problem, especially on a machine with poor rigidity.
Something is causing one of the axis to move in a jerky rather than smooth fashion.
I have to maintain two large moving gantry routers at work that run Fanuc controls. And when they start doing this, it is usually one or more bad bearings on their pinion shafts, or the intermediate shaft for the belt reduction that drive the gantry.
The light duty routers we have that use Anaheim stepper drives, have rack and pinion drives, and when the pinion gears get worn out they exhibit this behavior.
If your machine dosen't use rack and pinion, look at things like worn/misaligned couplers, end support bearings, worn, over tightened or misaligned belt drive, or a bent or misaligned ball screw (or lead screw). It doesn't take much of a vibration to cause a big problem, especially on a machine with poor rigidity.
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15 May 2018 16:40 #110771
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As I read your suggestions I was recalling I had to replace two couplers when I got the machine, and now that I think of it I replaced a bad ball nut too, all reasons they dump the machine I'm sure.
I think I had better take a closer look at what I did to make sure I reassembled those properly.
Thanks
I think I had better take a closer look at what I did to make sure I reassembled those properly.
Thanks
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18 May 2018 21:37 #110853
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Just one other thing, check that the G-code looks smooth in the preview. It is just possible that the CAM package was running with a real coarse mesh. Or the input was really coarse STL.
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19 May 2018 14:33 #110884
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Thanks again Andy.
The preview looks real smooth, I am pretty sure this is my X-Y axis needing some attention.
The preview looks real smooth, I am pretty sure this is my X-Y axis needing some attention.
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