Strange homing behavior
07 Jan 2022 19:14 - 07 Jan 2022 19:22 #231046
by johnbl
Replied by johnbl on topic Strange homing behavior
Yes it is homing, I can observe the various homing velocities on the machine.
On the video you can see near -250 the homing switch being triggered. Y is reset to 0 and it starts looking for index in the opposite direction. But after index is found at 3-4 it resets Y to -250 and travels to 0 at HOME_FINAL_VEL speed.
The soft limit error is triggered at the very end of the homing, when the axis is back at its initial power-on position.
The whole thing is very weird...
On the video you can see near -250 the homing switch being triggered. Y is reset to 0 and it starts looking for index in the opposite direction. But after index is found at 3-4 it resets Y to -250 and travels to 0 at HOME_FINAL_VEL speed.
The soft limit error is triggered at the very end of the homing, when the axis is back at its initial power-on position.
The whole thing is very weird...
Last edit: 07 Jan 2022 19:22 by johnbl.
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07 Jan 2022 22:13 #231065
by Todd Zuercher
Replied by Todd Zuercher on topic Strange homing behavior
What hardware do you have? Are you using some kind of smart servos and have the home switches connected to them and trying to use the homing routines built into the drives?
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07 Jan 2022 22:41 - 07 Jan 2022 22:46 #231070
by johnbl
Replied by johnbl on topic Strange homing behavior
I'm using Yaskawa servos driven by step/dir from a Mesa 7i94/7i85 combo. No special homing routines from the servos are used, the homing and limit switches are only connected to LinuxCNC.
Also the encoder position feedback from the drives is wired but currently not used in LinuxCNC, only the index pulse is.
Here's the relevant HAL config for the axis:
Also the encoder position feedback from the drives is wired but currently not used in LinuxCNC, only the index pulse is.
Here's the relevant HAL config for the axis:
net y-home hm2_7i94.0.7i84.0.1.input-00 => joint.1.home-sw-in
net y-limit-min hm2_7i94.0.7i84.0.1.input-01-not => joint.1.neg-lim-sw-in
net y-limit-max hm2_7i94.0.7i84.0.1.input-02-not => joint.1.pos-lim-sw-in
net y-enable joint.1.amp-enable-out => hm2_7i94.0.stepgen.01.enable pid.1.enable
# position command and feedback
net y-pos-cmd joint.1.motor-pos-cmd => pid.1.command
net y-pos-fb hm2_7i94.0.stepgen.01.position-fb => joint.1.motor-pos-fb pid.1.feedback
net y-command pid.1.output hm2_7i94.0.stepgen.01.velocity-cmd
setp hm2_7i94.0.stepgen.01.control-type 1
setp hm2_7i94.0.stepgen.01.step_type 0
setp hm2_7i94.0.stepgen.01.dirsetup [JOINT_1]DIRSETUP
setp hm2_7i94.0.stepgen.01.dirhold [JOINT_1]DIRHOLD
setp hm2_7i94.0.stepgen.01.steplen [JOINT_1]STEPLEN
setp hm2_7i94.0.stepgen.01.stepspace [JOINT_1]STEPSPACE
setp hm2_7i94.0.stepgen.01.position-scale [JOINT_1]SCALE
setp hm2_7i94.0.stepgen.01.maxvel [JOINT_1]STEPGEN_MAX_VEL
setp hm2_7i94.0.stepgen.01.maxaccel [JOINT_1]STEPGEN_MAX_ACC
setp pid.1.error-previous-target true
setp pid.1.Pgain [STEPGEN_PID]P
setp pid.1.Igain [STEPGEN_PID]I
setp pid.1.Dgain [STEPGEN_PID]D
setp pid.1.bias [STEPGEN_PID]BIAS
setp pid.1.FF0 [STEPGEN_PID]FF0
setp pid.1.FF1 [STEPGEN_PID]FF1
setp pid.1.FF2 [STEPGEN_PID]FF2
setp pid.1.deadband [STEPGEN_PID]DEADBAND
setp pid.1.maxoutput [STEPGEN_PID]MAX_OUTPUT
setp pid.1.maxerror [STEPGEN_PID]MAX_ERROR
# Y Encoder
setp hm2_7i94.0.encoder.01.counter-mode 0
setp hm2_7i94.0.encoder.01.filter 1
setp hm2_7i94.0.encoder.01.scale 1000
net y-index-enable hm2_7i94.0.encoder.01.index-enable <=> joint.1.index-enable
Last edit: 07 Jan 2022 22:46 by johnbl.
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08 Jan 2022 01:16 #231085
by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic Strange homing behavior
I think this behavior is probably expected since you are not using encoder feedback.
LinuxCNC expects the feedback position to be cleared on index
(encoder position is cleared on index but stepgen position is not)
Possible fixes are
1. Use the encoders for feedback (possibly just looping back the step/dir signals to the encoder inputs)
2. Use firmware with stepgen index support
LinuxCNC expects the feedback position to be cleared on index
(encoder position is cleared on index but stepgen position is not)
Possible fixes are
1. Use the encoders for feedback (possibly just looping back the step/dir signals to the encoder inputs)
2. Use firmware with stepgen index support
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08 Jan 2022 02:17 #231088
by rodw
Replied by rodw on topic Strange homing behavior
Actually further to PCW's advice, it may help. In master branch (V2.9), there is a new homing parameter
HOME_INDEX_NO_ENCODER_RESET
which is meant to be used where the encoder does not reset.
I just stumbled on this the other day
HOME_INDEX_NO_ENCODER_RESET
which is meant to be used where the encoder does not reset.
I just stumbled on this the other day
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08 Jan 2022 15:54 - 08 Jan 2022 16:04 #231133
by johnbl
Replied by johnbl on topic Strange homing behavior
Thanks, it finally starts to make sense.
So with index homing LinuxCNC expects joint.X.motor-pos-fb to be reset to 0 on the index pulse. This is unfortunately not documented anywhere.
HOME_INDEX_NO_ENCODER_RESET is interesting... Yes it should solve my issue, but it also throws away the repeatability of the index. I'll look into this stepgen with index support feature.
Before going further I'm trying to scale the encoder position feedback correctly. The servo drive is configured to output 10'000 encoder pulses per revolution. I have a 10mm pitch ballscrew so this means 1000 pulses per mm, so encoder scale is set to 1000. It's a quadrature encoder.
However the encoder position is consistently off by a factor of 4. When DRO position = 1, encoder position = 4. Are Mesa encoders configured to count 4x per PPR?
EDIT: it seems so:
So with index homing LinuxCNC expects joint.X.motor-pos-fb to be reset to 0 on the index pulse. This is unfortunately not documented anywhere.
HOME_INDEX_NO_ENCODER_RESET is interesting... Yes it should solve my issue, but it also throws away the repeatability of the index. I'll look into this stepgen with index support feature.
Before going further I'm trying to scale the encoder position feedback correctly. The servo drive is configured to output 10'000 encoder pulses per revolution. I have a 10mm pitch ballscrew so this means 1000 pulses per mm, so encoder scale is set to 1000. It's a quadrature encoder.
However the encoder position is consistently off by a factor of 4. When DRO position = 1, encoder position = 4. Are Mesa encoders configured to count 4x per PPR?
EDIT: it seems so:
scale - (Float, RW) Converts from count units to position units. A quadrature encoder will normally have 4 counts per pulse so a 100 PPR encoder would be 400 counts per revolution.
Last edit: 08 Jan 2022 16:04 by johnbl.
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09 Jan 2022 03:48 #231213
by Todd Zuercher
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The reason is because linuxcnc counts edges instead of just pulses.
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10 Jan 2022 13:08 #231302
by johnbl
Replied by johnbl on topic Strange homing behavior
So I managed to reflash the 7i94 firmware configured with stepgen index.
This leads to 2 more questions:
1. Should the joint index-enable pin be also connected to the pid index-enable?
2. I see there is support in hostmot2 firmware for a shared index pin between stepgen and muxed encoder. Is there something alike for a non-muxed encoder?
This leads to 2 more questions:
1. Should the joint index-enable pin be also connected to the pid index-enable?
2. I see there is support in hostmot2 firmware for a shared index pin between stepgen and muxed encoder. Is there something alike for a non-muxed encoder?
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10 Jan 2022 16:55 #231322
by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic Strange homing behavior
1 Yes (and index enable should come from the appropriate stepgen index enable)
2. Yes: (from IDROMConts) constant SharedSDQCIdxPin : std_logic_vector(7 downto 0) := x"06";
2. Yes: (from IDROMConts) constant SharedSDQCIdxPin : std_logic_vector(7 downto 0) := x"06";
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10 Jan 2022 18:39 #231330
by johnbl
Replied by johnbl on topic Strange homing behavior
Thanks.
However I can't find this SharedSDQCIdxPin reference anywhere.
I tried firmware from www.mesanet.com/software/parallel/hostmot2.zip
and freeby.mesanet.com/software/parallel/hostmot2.zip
However I can't find this SharedSDQCIdxPin reference anywhere.
I tried firmware from www.mesanet.com/software/parallel/hostmot2.zip
and freeby.mesanet.com/software/parallel/hostmot2.zip
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