Lathe toolchanger ratchet style

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18 Dec 2022 02:24 #259796 by omiclette
Lathe toolchanger ratchet style was created by omiclette
Hi guys, I have recently acquired a small cnc lathe (Cortini H105, picture below). I have been using it with Mach3, it works great, but it cannot do threading since it doesn't support the optical sensor I'm using.

I've installed Linuxcnc 2.8, everything works except the toolchanger which hasn't been configured yet. I added the A axis to my hal file and I am able to jog the toolchanger. In Mach3, I was using the macro M6Start that I have attached below, The turret is a ratchet style, "rotate past pawl and reverse to lock". It has a proximity sensor to home the turret at T1.

As I understand, there is multiple ways to make it work:

1) Boxford toolchanger component : There is a recent thread on this (forum.linuxcnc.org/49-basic-configuratio...dex-need-help#255100), but it doesn't seem to work. I have tried it myself, but I'm also having issues with homing.

2) M6 Txx remap : I'm lost reading the documentation, I don't know where to start.

3) Carousel component : Requires the unreleased v2.9. Any input on this option would be appreciated.

I am looking for advice on which path should I take to implement the toolchanger and if possible some hint on how to make it work as I'm not very familiar with Linuxcnc yet.

Cheers
Olivier
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19 Dec 2022 09:37 #259880 by TOLP2
Replied by TOLP2 on topic Lathe toolchanger ratchet style
Looks a lot like my EMCO5 turret. You could check out gitlab.com/TOLP2/toolerator

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19 Dec 2022 23:42 #259912 by andypugh
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3) Carousel component : Requires the unreleased v2.9. Any input on this option would be appreciated.

 

The version of "carousel" in the released 2.8 version supports ratchet toolchangers. What feature from the 2.9 version do you think you need? 
Does your tool changer have any sort of position feedback? 
 

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20 Dec 2022 01:28 #259918 by omiclette
Replied by omiclette on topic Lathe toolchanger ratchet style
Thanks for the suggestion, I was hoping for a solution that doesn't require additional hardware... I'll look into it if there other solutions doesn't work.

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20 Dec 2022 01:44 #259919 by omiclette
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Hello Andy, from what I understood in your comments in another thread is that the version 2.9 was required to includes a "counts" mode that uses stepgen or encoder counts to calculate the position. In my case, I believe I need the "counts" mode that uses stepgen.

My toolchanger only has one proximity sensor for T1 (used for homing). With the Mach3 macro, the toolchanger is first homed (define as the A rotary axis). During a toolchange, the rotary angle required is calculated and then the axis moves are in relative mode G91. It goes past the pawl and then reverses to lock (the stepper motor skips a few steps, but this doesn't matter as G91 is used).

Can the carousel component already do this? Is there an example I could look at to understand how to set it up?

Thanks
Olivier

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21 Dec 2022 00:58 #259986 by andypugh
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Hello Andy, from what I understood in your comments in another thread is that the version 2.9 was required to includes a "counts" mode that uses stepgen or encoder counts to calculate the position. 

If you don't have any other position feedback, then yes, you need the 2.9 version of "carousel"

But, you can just install it. 

Download the file from here: raw.githubusercontent.com/LinuxCNC/linux...onents/carousel.comp
Then compile and install it with "sudo halcompile --install carousel.comp"

(You might need to install linuxcnc-dev too: "sudo apt-get install linuxcnc-dev")
 

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21 Dec 2022 03:04 #259993 by omiclette
Replied by omiclette on topic Lathe toolchanger ratchet style
Alright, I'll try to install it this weekend!

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26 Jan 2025 21:26 #319912 by Badwithcomputer
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I have a cortini H105, runs under Mach3 as well as linux cnc, ihave installed the custom m6start that was posted for use with the rachet-pawl toolchanger (same 6 position turret)...it works well , ....but i am stumped as to why it only works when calling tools in squence for example tool 3 can only be propery seated on the lock after tool 2 has already been called... and so on so on.... if i call tools out at random the turret dosent lock down the tool at all...or is this how the code is suposed to work....many thanks

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26 Jan 2025 21:32 #319915 by Badwithcomputer
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I have questions for you regarding how you used the m6start that you posted, i installed it for my cortini, it works but only if i call the tools in sequence...or is this how it works. Also if you have more pictures of your machine and what your doing with it , i would be very interested to see...many thanks

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