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11 Oct 2024 22:57 #311836 by flychris
Another EMI issue was created by flychris
I am getting some pretty ridiculous EMI from my VFD and I'd like to try add debounce so I can cut parts again.  Long story short, my hard drive failed so I got a new PC setup, copied all of my machine settings and it doesn't work.  EMI for days but only if my VFD is running!!! Even with 3 line filters on all of the 110/240V circuits. Missing steps and sounds horrible.  

Could someone be so kind to review my INI and let me know how to write a good debounce code for it?

loadrt [KINS]KINEMATICS
loadrt [EMCMOT]EMCMOT base_period_nsec=[EMCMOT]BASE_PERIOD servo_period_nsec=[EMCMOT]SERVO_PERIOD num_joints=[KINS]JOINTS
loadrt hal_parport cfg="0 out"
setp parport.0.reset-time 5000
loadrt stepgen step_type=0,0,0

addf parport.0.read base-thread
addf stepgen.make-pulses base-thread
addf parport.0.write base-thread
addf parport.0.reset base-thread

addf stepgen.capture-position servo-thread
addf motion-command-handler servo-thread
addf motion-controller servo-thread
addf stepgen.update-freq servo-thread

net probe-in => motion.probe-input

net xstep           => parport.0.pin-01-out
setp parport.0.pin-01-out-reset 1
net xdir            => parport.0.pin-02-out
net ystep           => parport.0.pin-03-out
setp parport.0.pin-03-out-reset 1
net ydir            => parport.0.pin-04-out
net zstep           => parport.0.pin-05-out
setp parport.0.pin-05-out-reset 1
net zdir            => parport.0.pin-06-out
net min-home-x      <= parport.0.pin-10-in-not
net min-home-y      <= parport.0.pin-11-in-not
net max-home-u      <= parport.0.pin-12-in
net probe-in        <= parport.0.pin-13-in

setp stepgen.0.position-scale [JOINT_0]SCALE
setp stepgen.0.steplen 1
setp stepgen.0.stepspace 0
setp stepgen.0.dirhold 59941
setp stepgen.0.dirsetup 59941
setp stepgen.0.maxaccel [JOINT_0]STEPGEN_MAXACCEL
net xpos-cmd joint.0.motor-pos-cmd => stepgen.0.position-cmd
net xpos-fb stepgen.0.position-fb => joint.0.motor-pos-fb
net xstep <= stepgen.0.step
net xdir <= stepgen.0.dir
net xenable joint.0.amp-enable-out => stepgen.0.enable
net min-home-x => joint.0.home-sw-in
net min-home-x => joint.0.neg-lim-sw-in

setp stepgen.1.position-scale [JOINT_1]SCALE
setp stepgen.1.steplen 1
setp stepgen.1.stepspace 0
setp stepgen.1.dirhold 59941
setp stepgen.1.dirsetup 59941
setp stepgen.1.maxaccel [JOINT_1]STEPGEN_MAXACCEL
net ypos-cmd joint.1.motor-pos-cmd => stepgen.1.position-cmd
net ypos-fb stepgen.1.position-fb => joint.1.motor-pos-fb
net ystep <= stepgen.1.step
net ydir <= stepgen.1.dir
net yenable joint.1.amp-enable-out => stepgen.1.enable
net min-home-y => joint.1.home-sw-in
net min-home-y => joint.1.neg-lim-sw-in

setp stepgen.2.position-scale [JOINT_2]SCALE
setp stepgen.2.steplen 1
setp stepgen.2.stepspace 0
setp stepgen.2.dirhold 59941
setp stepgen.2.dirsetup 59941
setp stepgen.2.maxaccel [JOINT_2]STEPGEN_MAXACCEL
net zpos-cmd joint.2.motor-pos-cmd => stepgen.2.position-cmd
net zpos-fb stepgen.2.position-fb => joint.2.motor-pos-fb
net zstep <= stepgen.2.step
net zdir <= stepgen.2.dir
net zenable joint.2.amp-enable-out => stepgen.2.enable

net estop-out <= iocontrol.0.user-enable-out
net estop-out => iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in

net tool-number <= iocontrol.0.tool-prep-number
net tool-change-loopback iocontrol.0.tool-change => iocontrol.0.tool-changed
net tool-prepare-loopback iocontrol.0.tool-prepare => iocontrol.0.tool-prepared

 

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11 Oct 2024 23:10 #311837 by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic Another EMI issue
Missing steps and sounds horrible.  

Sounds like EMI in the step/dir lines which debounce will not help.
Debounce can help with noise on the limit switch and probe inputs
but that's it.

For noise on the step/dir signals you need to make sure that they are not
routed near wires connected to the VFD. Also a common mode choke
(giant ferrite bead around the U,V,W motor leads) can help reduce radiated
EMI. Also if you are controlling the VFD speed/direction make sure the control
logic is isolated. If not isolated, you can help reduce introducing noise into
the control system by adding common mode chokes to all the control wiring
going to the VFD.

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11 Oct 2024 23:15 #311838 by tommylight
Replied by tommylight on topic Another EMI issue
From your description, no amount of debounce will help, so where did you get the idea that it will?
It would be more helpful if you upload the pictures of the wiring, detailed ones, but in the mean time:
-make sure the PC is grounded properly
-make sure the VFD is grounded properly
-power supplies that can be grounded should be grounded
-use shielded cable for the spindle, shield bolted to motor and to VFD
-using a ferrite bead (doughnut) on motor wires at the VFD side helps

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18 Oct 2024 03:54 #312464 by flychris
Replied by flychris on topic Another EMI issue
Alright. Grounded every component like it should be, including one end of all my shielded wire. Cleaned up the signals very good! I even have tolerances to where i need them. I do get an occasional limit switch or probe trip a program, so a decent debounce should help me. Could someone write one according to my INI. I feel like I have the concept, but the parports get me to wonky.

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