Wiring Mesa 7i95t inputs in parallel with DRO
03 Dec 2024 09:48 - 03 Dec 2024 15:11 #315873
by nigelh
Wiring Mesa 7i95t inputs in parallel with DRO was created by nigelh
Hi,
Thanks to much help my motion system is now moving about nicely so I have moved on and hit a new problems and google isn't turning up any previous work on the subject to plagerise.
I have a DRO (magnetic) and I would like to keep it but also put the encoders into LinuxCNC. (have your cake and eat it so to speak)
However being a bit of an electronic engineer (retired industrial physicist) I worry about loads and impedences.
The 7i95t manual section on the high speed encoders ofers me:
DIFFERENTIAL MODE IMPEDANCE the min=118 max=122 Ohms
and I'm perplexed. I suspect I am thinking of something different.
I guess I could put a unity gain buffer amplifier in each pair but that seems OTT.
Do Mesa do schematics? I can't find any. Anybody done this? Pointers? ELI75
And also thinking of those encoder ports...
I am using Axis5 to do PWM to control the spindle but I'd like to read spindle speed back to the control too.
If I put a second sensor on the existing chopper disk that drives the front panel display can I wire that into the encoder and somehow get something out I can crunch into rpm? (I have discovered writing your own HAL things in C so I'm a happy bunny there).
The port says 3MHz rate and I'd only need about 5Kpps pulses counted. Again I could fake up a B pulse by just delaying sensor out but again a lot of bother for something that can probably be configured round.
Thanks to much help my motion system is now moving about nicely so I have moved on and hit a new problems and google isn't turning up any previous work on the subject to plagerise.
I have a DRO (magnetic) and I would like to keep it but also put the encoders into LinuxCNC. (have your cake and eat it so to speak)
However being a bit of an electronic engineer (retired industrial physicist) I worry about loads and impedences.
The 7i95t manual section on the high speed encoders ofers me:
DIFFERENTIAL MODE IMPEDANCE the min=118 max=122 Ohms
and I'm perplexed. I suspect I am thinking of something different.
I guess I could put a unity gain buffer amplifier in each pair but that seems OTT.
Do Mesa do schematics? I can't find any. Anybody done this? Pointers? ELI75
And also thinking of those encoder ports...
I am using Axis5 to do PWM to control the spindle but I'd like to read spindle speed back to the control too.
If I put a second sensor on the existing chopper disk that drives the front panel display can I wire that into the encoder and somehow get something out I can crunch into rpm? (I have discovered writing your own HAL things in C so I'm a happy bunny there).
The port says 3MHz rate and I'd only need about 5Kpps pulses counted. Again I could fake up a B pulse by just delaying sensor out but again a lot of bother for something that can probably be configured round.
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03 Dec 2024 14:22 #315892
by tommylight
Replied by tommylight on topic Wiring Mesa 7i95t inputs in parallel with DRO
Are the encoder outputs differential or single ended?
If differential, i would use one output for whatever it is being used now and the other to Mesa 7i95T.
Be aware that everything connected that way must have the same 0/gnd/be on the same potential.
I have one such system in use for exactly two years!
I've gotten some very strange looks when i tried that... It all seems like black magic to them, till they dig deeper into the subject.
If differential, i would use one output for whatever it is being used now and the other to Mesa 7i95T.
Be aware that everything connected that way must have the same 0/gnd/be on the same potential.
I have one such system in use for exactly two years!
Have you ever tried to explain to an inexperienced electronic guy, how the old antena cable (RG58) was 75 Ohm, and the security camera cable (RG59) was/is 50 Ohm?However being a bit of an electronic engineer (retired industrial physicist) I worry about loads and impedences.
The 7i95t manual section on the high speed encoders ofers me:
DIFFERENTIAL MODE IMPEDANCE the min=118 max=122 Ohms
and I'm perplexed. I suspect I am thinking of something different.
I've gotten some very strange looks when i tried that... It all seems like black magic to them, till they dig deeper into the subject.
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03 Dec 2024 15:00 #315896
by nigelh
Replied by nigelh on topic Wiring Mesa 7i95t inputs in parallel with DRO
I like that. Great idea. I have no idea if I can so I see the DRO coming to bits shortly.
Impedances? The most horrible thing I have had to do recently was to try to explain the Smith Chart display on a cheap VNA (aka network analyser) to an older radio ham who could just about manage that 50 and 75 are different. It scanned the range of frequencies you gave it as about twenty discrete points and then interpolated a line in between. Great for almost all real problems on a 3" display but if you set in to scan from DC to the speed of light on a piece of wire hanging down the garden you get a bunch of virtually random points with straight lines criss-crossing the display. Very pretty but...
That said I use a nanoVNA to match my piece of wire hanging down the garden.
Impedances? The most horrible thing I have had to do recently was to try to explain the Smith Chart display on a cheap VNA (aka network analyser) to an older radio ham who could just about manage that 50 and 75 are different. It scanned the range of frequencies you gave it as about twenty discrete points and then interpolated a line in between. Great for almost all real problems on a 3" display but if you set in to scan from DC to the speed of light on a piece of wire hanging down the garden you get a bunch of virtually random points with straight lines criss-crossing the display. Very pretty but...
That said I use a nanoVNA to match my piece of wire hanging down the garden.
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03 Dec 2024 15:32 #315898
by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic Wiring Mesa 7i95t inputs in parallel with DRO
Whether you can wire your DRO in parallel with the 7I95T encoder inputs depends on 2 things:
Do the encoders have differential outputs?
and if they are differential, are the DRO inputs terminated?
The 7I95T encoder inputs (when in differential mode) are terminated (120 Ohms nominal)
so if the DRO is terminated also this may be a pretty heavy load on the encoders.
If this is the case one option would be to buy an encoder splitter for each axis, like Mesa's ENCY
or make your own with a couple RS-422 driver/receiver IC's
On the encoder, you can use a single "A" input for counting frequency/RPM, you just need to set the
encoder into "counter" mode in the hal file
Do the encoders have differential outputs?
and if they are differential, are the DRO inputs terminated?
The 7I95T encoder inputs (when in differential mode) are terminated (120 Ohms nominal)
so if the DRO is terminated also this may be a pretty heavy load on the encoders.
If this is the case one option would be to buy an encoder splitter for each axis, like Mesa's ENCY
or make your own with a couple RS-422 driver/receiver IC's
On the encoder, you can use a single "A" input for counting frequency/RPM, you just need to set the
encoder into "counter" mode in the hal file
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