Spurious engagement of Plasmac's Anti-dive
02 Jul 2019 23:36 #138461
by rodw
Replied by rodw on topic Spurious engagement of Plasmac's Anti-dive
Agree 1 second might be too long but maybe 10 readings (0.01 sec) is too short....
This is probably as good a plot as any of an Arc establishment and cutting normally without THC (Everlast 50 amp)
And arc establishment, crossing a kerf and running off a sheet
Close up
And now with plasmac close up of the original one we've been discussing no THC (Thermal Dynamics A120)
So you can see the arc voltage peaks quickly during piercing (why we use a THC-on delay ) then stays very stable.
Also its clear that better quality machines have a much cleaner torch voltage but some of that could be due to me adding stuff to counter noise on the Everlast. So you have a much better process control signal if you spend the money.
The rate of change is a much better indicator of kerf crossing because it is several orders of magnitude higher than what can happen from normal warpage (but with the plasmac THC, this should be very little).
We are going to nail this eventually.
This is probably as good a plot as any of an Arc establishment and cutting normally without THC (Everlast 50 amp)
And arc establishment, crossing a kerf and running off a sheet
Close up
And now with plasmac close up of the original one we've been discussing no THC (Thermal Dynamics A120)
So you can see the arc voltage peaks quickly during piercing (why we use a THC-on delay ) then stays very stable.
Also its clear that better quality machines have a much cleaner torch voltage but some of that could be due to me adding stuff to counter noise on the Everlast. So you have a much better process control signal if you spend the money.
The rate of change is a much better indicator of kerf crossing because it is several orders of magnitude higher than what can happen from normal warpage (but with the plasmac THC, this should be very little).
We are going to nail this eventually.
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03 Jul 2019 03:32 - 03 Jul 2019 03:33 #138485
by phillc54
Replied by phillc54 on topic Spurious engagement of Plasmac's Anti-dive
If you would like to try something else, you could edit plasmac.hal so it looks like this:
Lines 971-975
Lines 985-989
Then compile it with halcompile.
Cheers, Phill.
Lines 971-975
if(kerfcross_is_locked){
//if(arc_voltage_out < last_arc_voltage + (kerf_threshold * 0.05)){
//if(arc_voltage_out < target_volts + (kerf_threshold * 0.5)){
if(arc_voltage_out < target_volts + thc_threshold){
kerfcross_is_locked = FALSE;
Lines 985-989
kerf_threshold = ((kerf_ratio * current_velocity * fperiod) / height_per_volt) * (kerfcross_override * 0.01);
//if(arc_voltage_out > last_arc_voltage + kerf_threshold){
//if(arc_voltage_out > target_volts + kerf_threshold){
if(arc_voltage_out - last_arc_voltage > kerf_threshold && arc_voltage_out > target_volts + thc_threshold){
kerfcross_is_locked = TRUE;
Then compile it with halcompile.
Cheers, Phill.
Last edit: 03 Jul 2019 03:33 by phillc54.
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04 Jul 2019 00:05 #138578
by mkardasi
Replied by mkardasi on topic Spurious engagement of Plasmac's Anti-dive
I implemented lowpass filtering and modified plasma_run.py to increase the adjustment range of Kerf Crossing Override.
This a short cut with Kerf crossing enabled but not cutting across a kerf.
This is a second cut on the same material now cutting across. That first spike is due to THC enabling while the arc was already in cutting in a kerf.
I just arbitrarily doubled the override threshold to 1000 with these cuts but it looks like the behavior is appropriate.
This a short cut with Kerf crossing enabled but not cutting across a kerf.
This is a second cut on the same material now cutting across. That first spike is due to THC enabling while the arc was already in cutting in a kerf.
I just arbitrarily doubled the override threshold to 1000 with these cuts but it looks like the behavior is appropriate.
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04 Jul 2019 06:27 #138592
by rodw
Replied by rodw on topic Spurious engagement of Plasmac's Anti-dive
Looking good! so you are saying this now has a working kerf crossing feature for your machine?
Its interesting that you have been able to filter the signal out quite nicely.
Its interesting that you have been able to filter the signal out quite nicely.
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04 Jul 2019 06:43 #138594
by phillc54
Replied by phillc54 on topic Spurious engagement of Plasmac's Anti-dive
I would really like to see a comparison between your last result and the changes I suggested in
this post
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04 Jul 2019 07:00 #138596
by mkardasi
So far the results look very promising. I want to run different material thickness and feed rates before declaring victory.
Replied by mkardasi on topic Spurious engagement of Plasmac's Anti-dive
Looking good! so you are saying this now has a working kerf crossing feature for your machine?
Its interesting that you have been able to filter the signal out quite nicely.
So far the results look very promising. I want to run different material thickness and feed rates before declaring victory.
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04 Jul 2019 07:08 #138598
by mkardasi
Phil, I will definitely test it but you have to bear with me as I don't have an abundance of spare time to test. Your proposed code change is next in my queue.
On a related note, would guys prefer halscope or halsampler?
Replied by mkardasi on topic Spurious engagement of Plasmac's Anti-dive
I would really like to see a comparison between your last result and the changes I suggested in this post
Phil, I will definitely test it but you have to bear with me as I don't have an abundance of spare time to test. Your proposed code change is next in my queue.
On a related note, would guys prefer halscope or halsampler?
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04 Jul 2019 07:10 #138599
by phillc54
Replied by phillc54 on topic Spurious engagement of Plasmac's Anti-dive
halscope suits me at this stage and thank you for the testing and reports.
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04 Jul 2019 11:53 #138615
by tommylight
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I am with Phill. Halscope.
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04 Jul 2019 11:59 #138619
by rodw
Replied by rodw on topic Spurious engagement of Plasmac's Anti-dive
Halscope is good. Sampler is really only good if you want to analyse in s spreadsheet eg. Linear Regression etc.
It would actually be very good if halsampler had a --csv switch
It would actually be very good if halsampler had a --csv switch
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