Problem with THC

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14 Apr 2025 06:53 - 14 Apr 2025 06:55 #326248 by mariusl
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Hi,
I have a machine that has a Hypertherm 105 Sync source on and I am having issues getting the THC to work correctly.
I had to adjust the THC_delay to 5 seconds before I could get a stable voltage reading for Autovolts. The torch will go down to the cut height but starts moving upwards before the THC_delay has timed out. The cut voltage seems to settle at 55V but the torch moves up until it reaches 75V and stays there.
The strange thing is it will cut the first cut correct and then misbehaves after that.
Any ideas where to fiddle?

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14 Apr 2025 07:43 #326252 by tommylight
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Use halscope to do a plot of encoder.0.velocity pin during a pierce, might be interference, although as you are getting 55 and 75V readings it also seems not right, and this might be due to scaling and/or due to interference.
What divider ratio is Mesa THCAD set to? Usually 1/32.
If this is a new machine, disable auto volts, disable void lock and velocity lock, well disable everything automated until you get the machine working correctly, only then enable the automation.

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14 Apr 2025 08:16 #326256 by mariusl
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It is a new machine. The divider is set to 1/32. I am not sure what voltage is given by the source as this is also a new configuration Hypertherm that does stuff automatically. It reads the consumable and does it's own adjustments. Although I disabled that feature on the plasma source. It might still be doing something that I am not aware off.
The voltage seems very stable . The thing that bothers me is that the torch starts moving up as soon as it starts cutting. It does not delay the 5 seconds that I set the THC_delay to.

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14 Apr 2025 08:39 #326259 by rodw
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You need to plot the voltage or encoder with halscope. I think that is way too low. I would expect around 130 volts. I suspect the THCAD is not properly calibrated. The plot will tell you how long to delay. I would check the input voltage at the thcad with a multimeter.

I did have a machine once that needed about 2 seconds to be stable...

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14 Apr 2025 11:03 #326265 by mariusl
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I use this calculator to calculate the parameters for the THC.

jscalc.io/source/ScVgoteuXJ9ySlXo

Can you check to see if it is accurate please?

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14 Apr 2025 13:39 #326275 by mariusl
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How do others determine the volt/mm if you don't use Autovolt?

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14 Apr 2025 14:02 #326280 by tommylight
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I do not, i set automation off, play with voltage till i get roughly good cuts and THC properly tracking, sometimes a bit of editing the scale and offset to match the measured voltage (ranges from 97V to 135V depending on the source and nozzles), then:
- fine tune the cut height by changing the voltage in 2V increments up or down
- fine tune the feed rate
- fine tune the air pressure to get clean cuts on the bottom side (less dross)
All this should be done whenever changing material thickness/type, nozzle diameter/type, and/or plasma source eventually. Also will be influenced by the amount of moisture in the compressed air, sometimes enough to cause issues.
And i never use autovolts, mainly due to many external factors that i have no control over, like, huge power fluctuations, huge differences in material being cut, above mentioned moisture, old air compressors spewing oil through the torch, using old plasma sources with no current control, etc.
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Another thing that will absolutely mess with cutting is the ground clamp, it has to be properly bolted to the table, no clamp.

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14 Apr 2025 14:27 #326282 by mariusl
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I just discovered that my formula and the one in the QTPlasmaC documentation ids not correct for the THAD2. Those formulas work for the previous release of THAD.
PncConf has the correct formula by the looks of it. Does any have the correct formula for me?

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14 Apr 2025 16:03 #326294 by grijalvap
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this is the process I followed to set up a hyperterm 85 SYNC
1 Make sure the Z axis is properly calibrated including trabvel switch if any.
2 Make sure table is properly laveled, so the plate to cut is always perpendicular to the torch
2 From hyperterm Cut tables select a metal plate in the midle range of the plasma power supply and set up the parameters in the proper tool.
3 Disable any THC feature including THC itself.
5 Cut a line of a length that allow you to record the voltage on the screen (May be 8 or 10 inches long), using the previusly ste tool.
6 Adjust the voltage scale to reflect the voltage in the cut table for that cut heigh.
You can repeat with a thicknes on the high range and then one in the low range and then make an average.
this method has worked to me don't need to many maths but for sure should be anothers that work.

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14 Apr 2025 16:35 #326299 by mariusl
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That makes sense. Thanks. I always use the "Autovolts" option and has always been good enough but in this case there are complications that I have to catch so the manual calibration is required.

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