Retrofitting a 1986 Maho MH400E

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6 years 11 months ago - 6 years 11 months ago #149699 by RotarySMP
Replied by RotarySMP on topic Retrofitting a 1986 Maho MH400E
No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationUploading photos works easiest if you first save the photos you want to upload to your hard drive, rather than straight from the cloud. I took a look at your photos on the cloud. The electrical cabinet looks nice and clean and tidy, without obvious halfarsed modding, which is good. Take some pictures showing the overview of everything.
Is there a 24VDC control relay board in there somewhere? On mine it is on the cabinet door. If you don't have one, then the control relays are probably wihin the Siemens PLC, and you'll want to keep it.


I also don't see any Heindenhain hardware. Is the controller in the user control module?

I dont see any axis encoder cables. Heindenhain encoders generally terminate in chromed M23 connectors. They are probably under that conduit cover on the floor of the cabinet. If you follow them you'll find the A/D convertors which do the signal processing. If the controller is on the user control panel, then those encoder cables might be routed up to there as well. On mine, that was a Heidenhain 3 Axis EXE board located withint the Phillips rack. It is important for a retrofit, as you will either need to recycle the existing EXE, or get some single axis replacements...


I reused mine, and still needed two stand alones as two channels were dead.


Please look up your circuit drawing number and let us know what it is. It is on the side of the machine somewhere...


and confirm it agrees with the number in the drawings itself:


Good that db1981 has the same machine. Definately try to get it running again with the Heidenhain. Normally there is only a single or a couple of discrete failures such as burnt PCB traces, dead capacitors, loose/intermittant connections etc. With a bit of help, hopefully these can be found, and corrected inexpensively.

You may still want to ditch the TNC and modernise with LinuxCNC, but starting with a working machine makes that easier.
Mark
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6 years 11 months ago #149746 by db1981
Replied by db1981 on topic Retrofitting a 1986 Maho MH400E
Hello,

the control relais are placed above the indramat.
all Encoder Cables go straigth to the TNC135 in the User Control Panel.
the TNC135 does the position control and has some pins for spindle, colland, bcd for speed command.
All Logic like gearchange, Control Panel Buttons etc. ist done in the good old S5....

I you answer the questions a few posts above, we can locate the error in your system.

one question more: when was the last battery change?

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6 years 11 months ago #149791 by BradMck
Replied by BradMck on topic Retrofitting a 1986 Maho MH400E
Hi There,

I am working with Chris on the Maho and trying to get it operational. I am an Electrician and also do Automation but I have not had much experience with Milling machines such as this one. I have found the TNC is not closing the output that is in series with the main latcing contactor. I have looped this contact out and the X,Y & Axis move but only in one direction.
The Screen still works but is in German.The TNC appears not able to complete the power up tests and the LEDs stay on. the batteries where changed 6 months to 1 year ago. I can get the Programme setup parameters but they are very minimal an I'm not sure what the values mean, as I have only started to work on this machine since the problems have started.

Regards

Brad

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6 years 11 months ago #149793 by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic Retrofitting a 1986 Maho MH400E
If you point your phone camera at the screen, Google Translate can probably translate it.

I am aware that this is a partial answer to your smallest problem.

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6 years 11 months ago #149805 by cgroth
Replied by cgroth on topic Retrofitting a 1986 Maho MH400E
Hi there,

I finally got a place for my MH 300 C and have it running still using the 432/9. Unfortunatly the conversion sill suffers from a lack of spare time.
You should definitely have a look on this website:
www.heidenhain.de/de_DE/software/
Information on the TNC135 is more or less complete, also in english:

And for those of you fiddeling around with the Philips you have to know that this system was sold as CNC 3000:

V1XX to V4XX will fit to most of the 432/9, V5XX to V600 to 432/10 running a 80286 processor and V7XX for the 80386.
Good luck!
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6 years 11 months ago #149808 by db1981
Replied by db1981 on topic Retrofitting a 1986 Maho MH400E
Hi brad,
Post a Photo from the tnc After power up, please .

Db

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