Retrofitting a 1986 Maho MH400E

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10 months 2 days ago #340665 by Crusader2050
Replied by Crusader2050 on topic Retrofitting a 1986 Maho MH400E
from what I've been able to figure out from the drawings and manual provided and in the video, the "voltage fault lamp" on the Indramat seems to indicate an internal problem with the -15v/0v/+15v supply..
check the voltages on the relevant pins on the L6 connector.. ( might be one to scope )
the X axis doesn't seem to be causing an issue? but the Z and sometimes the Y axis trip out?
from the drawings that might be one or more brakes not releasing? as that appears to be linked through 19K2?
without the full schematic I'm guessing at the function of some of the contacts shown on what we do have.
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10 months 1 day ago #340715 by redek3
Replied by redek3 on topic Retrofitting a 1986 Maho MH400E
   Hi,
I have done a similar retrofit. My machine is a Polish AVIA FND 32. Very similar to MAHO. Analog DC servos with tacho. Servo in velocity control mode with analog +/-10V input. Feedback connected via MESA to LinuxCNC. Position loop closed in LinuxCNC.

I think that if you have "axis following error", there will be a problem with the Indramat driver.
1. If I understand well, this error is triggered when the axis doesn't react properly to the LinuxCNC command. So check analog voltages from mesa to the drives. An oscilloscope would be useful in this case.
2. If signals are good, I think that the problem is with the drivers. It can be partially fried.
In my machine, I had two problems with drives. One was seized bearing in the motor. The driver wasn't able to follow the speed command.
The second time was a damaged signal transformer in thyrystor driver. Axis was slowly moving in one direction. This was a crazy failure, but I am an electronic eng., so I fixed it.
I suggest you to remove cover from Indramat driver and inspect it visually. Maybe some components are overhited and broken. You can try to publish photos here. Problems with two axis suggest that there is a problem with circuit common to whole driver. Check +/-15V power supply.

After all you can buy used drive on eBay. It is not super expensive.

I would like to help you, but I live too far away. Good luck.

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10 months 1 day ago #340716 by redek3
Replied by redek3 on topic Retrofitting a 1986 Maho MH400E
   Hi,
I have done a similar retrofit. My machine is a Polish AVIA FND 32. Very similar to MAHO. Analog DC servos with tacho. Servo in velocity control mode with analog +/-10V input. Feedback connected via MESA to LinuxCNC. Position loop closed in LinuxCNC.

I think that if you have "axis following error", there will be a problem with the Indramat driver.
1. If I understand well, this error is triggered when the axis doesn't react properly to the LinuxCNC command. So check analog voltages from mesa to the drives. An oscilloscope would be useful in this case.
2. If signals are good, I think that the problem is with the drivers. It can be partially fried.
In my machine, I had two problems with drives. One was seized bearing in the motor. The driver wasn't able to follow the speed command.
The second time was a damaged signal transformer in thyrystor driver. Axis was slowly moving in one direction. This was a crazy failure, but I am an electronic eng., so I fixed it.
I suggest you to remove the cover from Indramat driver and inspect it visually. Maybe some components are overhited and broken. You can try to publish photos here. Problems with two axes suggest that there is a problem with the circuit common to the whole driver. Check +/-15V power supply.

I would like to help you, but I live too far away.
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10 months 1 day ago #340719 by matasbuk
Replied by matasbuk on topic Retrofitting a 1986 Maho MH400E
You should also measure the voltage drop through the contactor feeding the Indramat, it can be worn out and making a poor connection, failing when under load.

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10 months 17 hours ago #340800 by RotarySMP
Replied by RotarySMP on topic Retrofitting a 1986 Maho MH400E
Thanks guys. I am collecting up the wisdom of the crowd, and will try to work through everything systematically.

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10 months 16 hours ago #340806 by tommylight
Replied by tommylight on topic Retrofitting a 1986 Maho MH400E
Do you have the schematics for the drives?
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This is just thoughts on how i would go about checking this, might be OK now that i had some time to analyze the symptoms :
-first check the power going to EXE boxes, is it the same voltage on all 3 or 4 of them?
-is the power for the EXE coming from the Indramat drives?
-if yes, are they all powered from the same rail or do each have it's own power regulator?
Assumption: given the info i would check the Indramat drive for rust on the EXE power rail, it is just to convenient given X is fine, Y faults at the end (meaning a bit lower voltage so accumulating PID error), and Z faults immediately, this also assumes the voltage regulator to be near the X axis drive/feedback and furthest from Z axis drive/feedback
-All of the above is valid if drives/motors use tachos, so same checks on the tacho feedback voltage regulators.
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Stopping here for now, to much assumptions and unknowns that need confirmation or denial! :)

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