Driver NUM GEC MK2S

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25 Jun 2024 17:32 #303768 by greg23_78
Driver NUM GEC MK2S was created by greg23_78
I managed to recover a big cn lathe, I'm on cable and make the DC drivers work but impossible to make them work (I don't have any schematics and I don't know if they're still operational but the 2 don't work so the probability that it's me the problem is high). has anyone been confronted with NUM GEC MK2S drivers?

when retrofitting i took care not to disconnect the control cables (motor, tachy, enable, etc...) after wiring with my 7i97 board, i try to enable the axes but no noise and no movement possible.

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the enable contactor I drive with driver enable because on the old cn it was the only output coming from the drivers so I assume it's the enable.


if unfortunately I can't get the drivers to work, can I replace my current drivers with these?

old driver - NUM GEC MK2S S.57.27.001.B 24V3800-20 Variateur 27A

www.cnc-shopping.com/num-gec-mk2s-s-57-2...0283649b-p-3233.html

new driver - Sprint 3200i 32A 1Q 230V/400V AC to DC Isolated Signals

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28 Jun 2024 17:21 - 28 Jun 2024 17:27 #303977 by greg23_78
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I don't think anyone has worked on DC mk2s drivers.
so I'm going to look into some new drivers.

i found a repairer of these drivers but i would like to compare with more recent drivers.  

but i'll need help not to make a mistake because the price is expensive and my motors are quite big!

my two motors have the following characteristics

Motor : NUM motor
Type : 40-P4-61
Series : 6904
Constant torque : 6 N.M
Max RPM : 3000
Volt : 183V
Pulse AMP: 63A
Tacho : 9.5V/1000 RPM

so I need to find a new driver that should deliver

- a voltage of 186 V max
- a rated current of 27 A (old driver carateristics) and a current pick of 63 A
- tachy input
-must be -10V +10V driver

am i forgetting something?

as below, i've found a driver with the following characteristics:

-an output voltage of 180V if powered in 220 two-phases or 220 single-phase (I have both on my cnc)

-a max current of 32A and accepts a 150% peak, i.e. 80A

so far so good, but my questions are as follows

- in the specifications it talks about 0-10V input, but on the schematic you can see that it's marked CW and ACW, so is it compatible with -10V +10V?

 


 

-I can see data from the tachometer which is "speed feedback output 0 to 7.5V" and my motor is 9.5V. What should I understand from the tachometer characteristics?

 

- Finally, is this really a DC driver for my motors for axis use or is it a kind of VFD for DC motors?

 
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28 Jun 2024 17:34 #303979 by PCW
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That does not seem to be a +-10V servo drive
but rather a SCR DC motor controller that
depends on AC for commutating the SCRs
so even if it had a +- input would be very
sluggish in response to commands

What is wrong with the current drives?

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28 Jun 2024 17:46 - 28 Jun 2024 17:49 #303980 by greg23_78
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thanks for the feedback!

i have two drivers where i can't activate enable! i don't have the schematics for these drivers. I took care not to disconnect the control cables (motor, tachy, enable, etc...) after wiring with my 7i97 board.

the only thing that works is the fault relay.

 

 
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28 Jun 2024 18:41 #303986 by PCW
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It hard to tell without more information about the drives
It may be that the all connections/steps needed to enable
the drives have not been done, rather than both drives
being faulty.

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20 Aug 2024 15:27 - 20 Aug 2024 15:28 #308220 by greg23_78
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I have just received my reconditioning drivers, 1 driver was defective in one direction of rotation.
i started reassembling the drivers and tuning the engines.
it's at this point of tuning the motors that i have a problem.

when i put enable on my drivers, my motor turns in 1 direction at high speed and when i press it, it goes in the other direction.

I remove the analog to see, and it happens again.

so i guess it's due to the settings on my drivers and the tach.

how do you set this type of driver with the front buttons?

 
 
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20 Aug 2024 15:33 #308221 by PCW
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Runaway of an analog velocity mode drive with no input
may be because the tachometer leads are reversed.

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20 Aug 2024 16:34 #308228 by greg23_78
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I think it works, the motor turns in 1 direction very slowly.
now my problem is with the analog, i don't get any response from my drivers when i jog.
I've tried reversing the wire but nothing changes.

this is the driver repairer's notes, sorry it's in french.

 

i think i've connected my 7i97t and my driver correctly.

pin 3 (7I97T) -) pin 19 (driver)
pin 4 (7i97T) -) pin 20 (driver)
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20 Aug 2024 17:06 #308230 by PCW
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Can you post your hal/ini files?
 

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20 Aug 2024 17:41 #308233 by greg23_78
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I've just tested with a multimeter to find an analog voltage, I put jog speed on high and did a jog (I modified the f error to be able to do it over a long period) and I can't find any voltage.

HAL
 

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