5i25 + 7i74 + 7i71 communication errors

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10 Jun 2016 12:23 - 10 Jun 2016 12:24 #75760 by terkaa
Hi,

I have got few communication errors today with 7i71 card. Usually these come up when relays are either switched on or off any ideas why? Also should I connect PE to screw terminal near RJ45 jacks on 7i74 card? 7i71 is second from right

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10 Jun 2016 13:15 - 10 Jun 2016 13:15 #75763 by PCW
There were some sserial error handling bugs introduced in LinuxCNC 2.70 to 2.7.3 I would suggest first up grading to 2.7.4 if you have not already done so

In addition, the most common issue is noise introduced in the parallel cable, not the CAT5 so watch the routing of these cables
and keep them away from noise sources as much as possible
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10 Jun 2016 13:23 #75765 by andypugh
Is it stopping the serial port?

There was an update to both LinuxCNC and the smart-serial firmware a few months ago to make the system more robust to sserial errors.

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10 Jun 2016 13:33 #75766 by terkaa
Hi,

Parallel cables are shielded and 3 feet long. Those are not routed near any other wires.... So I do not think that is issue here. Version is 2.7.4.

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10 Jun 2016 13:36 #75767 by andypugh

Parallel cables are shielded and 3 feet long..


I think I was auto-corrected. I meant to ask if the smart-serial port was being stopped.

Smart-serial errors suggest noise in the CAT5 cables. Are they shielded?

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10 Jun 2016 13:45 #75769 by PCW
what actual errors are you getting?

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10 Jun 2016 13:55 - 10 Jun 2016 13:57 #75770 by terkaa
Hi,

PCW : I did not have time to "dig into it" today. But it was communication error(13) and always with 7i71 not any other cards. Andy yes all cables are CAT5 shielded ones. And short ones either 2 or 3 feet long. And routed with 24VDC input wires (AC110V switched ones run on other side of electric cabinet). I have to restart LinuxCNC to get things running again. Also should I connect PE to screw terminal near RJ45 jacks on 7i74 card?

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10 Jun 2016 14:02 - 10 Jun 2016 14:06 #75771 by terkaa
Card is driving these relays:

eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Schneider-El...odqPAciXLL5D0Q%3d%3d

Do these need flyback diodes?
Last edit: 10 Jun 2016 14:06 by terkaa.

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10 Jun 2016 14:08 #75772 by andypugh

Do these need flyback diodes?


Probably, the data sheet says:

"Coil interference suppression - Without"

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10 Jun 2016 14:11 - 10 Jun 2016 14:13 #75773 by PCW
If this is a noise problem its much more likely to be getting into the parallel cables than the CAT5 cables
since the signals are single ended in the parallel cable, but with the fixes in 2.7.4 a few random impulse
noise errors should not cause any trouble.

Need the actual error to figure out whats going on (communication errors are generic, the other errors give the specific cause)

one type of error that would require a restart (well really just a stop/start of sserial) would be a 7I71 remote fault
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