Ethercat Servo spindle orient example required
07 Mar 2020 11:38 #159399
by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic Ethercat Servo spindle orient example required
Both P and I should increase stiffness when in position.
But VFDs tend to not output anything for very small inputs, so you might need some inverse deadband, or to modify the VFD parameters.
I think most commercial toolchange systems have a positive lock for final alignment.
But VFDs tend to not output anything for very small inputs, so you might need some inverse deadband, or to modify the VFD parameters.
I think most commercial toolchange systems have a positive lock for final alignment.
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07 Mar 2020 11:39 #159400
by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic Ethercat Servo spindle orient example required
You could look at using the lincurve hal component to have much higher P and I gains when the position error is small.
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07 Mar 2020 12:16 - 07 Mar 2020 12:25 #159405
by snujcnc
Replied by snujcnc on topic Ethercat Servo spindle orient example required
THANKS
i will try
I think most commercial toolchange systems have a positive lock for final alignment.
>my machine is mill-turn center so my required sequence is
1-stop spindle with M19 R0 command
2-engage c-axis servo gear with main spindle gear
3-so my spindle become c axis
4-to memories c axis position i must do c-home before i disengage c-axis from spindle
and
in my machine case there is no brake or any pin on main spindle
(original machine built with siemens series 8 )
that's why i need to stop spindle in exact same position with some amount of torque after M19 R0
i will try
I think most commercial toolchange systems have a positive lock for final alignment.
>my machine is mill-turn center so my required sequence is
1-stop spindle with M19 R0 command
2-engage c-axis servo gear with main spindle gear
3-so my spindle become c axis
4-to memories c axis position i must do c-home before i disengage c-axis from spindle
and
in my machine case there is no brake or any pin on main spindle
(original machine built with siemens series 8 )
that's why i need to stop spindle in exact same position with some amount of torque after M19 R0
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07 Mar 2020 12:32 #159406
by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic Ethercat Servo spindle orient example required
Are you using the original Siemens VFD?
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07 Mar 2020 12:39 #159407
by snujcnc
Replied by snujcnc on topic Ethercat Servo spindle orient example required
no i remove all old stuff from machine
currently i am using(NEW) KEB F5 combivert vfd with ethercat option card for spindle control
currently i am using(NEW) KEB F5 combivert vfd with ethercat option card for spindle control
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07 Mar 2020 12:56 #159409
by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic Ethercat Servo spindle orient example required
It is possible that the original spindle drive was more suitable for position mode.
But try looking at things like the VFD minimum frequency.
But try looking at things like the VFD minimum frequency.
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07 Mar 2020 13:05 - 07 Mar 2020 13:21 #159410
by snujcnc
Replied by snujcnc on topic Ethercat Servo spindle orient example required
i know that
original spindle drive is very powerful but i want to use ethercat so i remove drive
but motor is original
i try to install feedback encoder card to keb vfd then i can improve performance (need lot of time to do this work )
motor start moving after 3 rpm command bellow 3 rpm motor rotate --stop--rotate so exact position arrival is difficult for me
(after 4 rpm motor rotate like servo motor very smooth with lot of power)
original spindle drive is very powerful but i want to use ethercat so i remove drive
but motor is original
i try to install feedback encoder card to keb vfd then i can improve performance (need lot of time to do this work )
motor start moving after 3 rpm command bellow 3 rpm motor rotate --stop--rotate so exact position arrival is difficult for me
(after 4 rpm motor rotate like servo motor very smooth with lot of power)
Last edit: 07 Mar 2020 13:21 by snujcnc.
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07 Mar 2020 13:27 #159412
by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic Ethercat Servo spindle orient example required
Look at the inverse-deadband Hal component to force the output to be zero or at least 4tpm. (Or do the same thing with a bit more finesse with lincurve)
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07 Mar 2020 13:30 #159413
by snujcnc
Replied by snujcnc on topic Ethercat Servo spindle orient example required
thanks
i am going to try on machine
update you result with some videos and pictures
thanks again
i am going to try on machine
update you result with some videos and pictures
thanks again
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