Problem with a MESA 7i76

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02 Mar 2020 18:25 #159006 by RobTC
Replied by RobTC on topic Problem with a MESA 7i76
There is no state change upon LinuxCNC startup. + outputs remain low, - outputs remain high. When I use PncConf>Test/Tune>Run for reciprocating travel, the +DIR output oscillates between about 50mV and 80mV, and the -DIR output between 4.915V and 4.920V during direction changes. So there is some signal getting through, it just doesn't appear to be getting amplified/conditioned appropriately?

6i25 firmware should be 7i76+7i85 (I was going to run glass scales, but didn't seem to end up needing to, but it works for a remote MPG box) and currently just running/connected the 7i76.

I'll continue poking around in software, maybe re-build the hal with a new PncConf runthrough and double-check some stuff in the terminal. Worked perfectly previously with no hardware changes, though.

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02 Mar 2020 18:32 #159009 by PCW
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OK I misunderstood. if the output pins do not change state on starting LinuxCNC its likely
that the 74ACT540 and 74ACT541 chips have been damaged (or the series resistor
networks on the outputs have been damaged)

This can happen in a couple of ways

1, Accidental contact of step/dir pins to 12/24V
2. accidental overvoltage on the 5V 7I76 supply (7V will destroy ACT parts)

Number 2 is worse since is will likely damage multiple 5V parts

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02 Mar 2020 19:25 #159014 by RobTC
Replied by RobTC on topic Problem with a MESA 7i76
Hmm... I don't recall anything happening during rewiring that would have caused either of those to take place. The only 5V in is via the parallel cable, all lights and 6i25 seem happy. I'm guessing though from the "74*" that those chips are some kind of shift register or the like, and the serial comms isn't going to notice that an open-loop output isn't working. Perhaps though, since I did see distinct signal patterns on the output, it's the resistors at fault rather than the ICs specifically.

Is there any reasonably doable method of diagnosis I can perform on my end to find out which is more likely? I see the S/D* and RN* screenprint labelling, but no obviously visible issues on the little 8-pin devices.

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02 Mar 2020 19:39 #159016 by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic Problem with a MESA 7i76
You can measure the resistance across the networks (if you have a steady hand)
they should be 27 Ohms

The 74ACT540 and 74ACT541 are just buffers

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02 Mar 2020 20:56 #159027 by RobTC
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Appreciate all your rapid responses! Once I got going I figured I may as well do them all, though I doubt half of them matter to this issue. All individual resistors check out within a 5% tolerance of: RN1,4,18,25,26 @ 27R, RN11,13,20 @ 138R, RN10,12,19 @ 145R, RN3 @ 47R.

I guess it's the buffers. Not sure how, though, makes no sense. Is it feasible to test the buffers if I provide 5V bench power to TB3 and move the jumper? I do have a parallel terminal breakout lying around doing nothing if it helps to go in through P1 and the datasheet appears pretty straightforward.

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02 Mar 2020 21:44 #159039 by PCW
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Yes they are just basic non-inverting buffers (74ACT541 on + pins) and
inverting buffers (74ACT540 on - pins) connecting between the DB25 and
the 27 Ohm resistor networks

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27 Jun 2024 22:21 #303934 by disneysw
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Sorry to dig up an old thread but I have fried a 7I76 board due to connecting the end stop plug into the spindle connector and shoving 24V where it was never supposed to go!

Mine is a rev C board and PTC4 is badly scorched but still seems to be working. CR17 went short circuit and was burnt to a crisp which in some ways may have been a saving grace.

The FPGA is working and the voltage rails look good but the stepper buffers seem to be damaged.

I know I need to order SSOP versions of the 74ACT541 and 74ACT540 but what values are the PPTC and CR17? What else may have gone?

Finally is the schematic for the 7i76 available?

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28 Jun 2024 00:12 #303943 by PCW
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You must mean 7I76E if you have CR17

CR17 is a SMBJ5V0 (SMB package)
Its job is to prevent overvoltages on the the
7I76Es 5V rail.

If PTC4 was fried that sounds like you accidentally
connected 24V to the 5V outputs on TB3. PTC4 is a
1206 2A PTC MF-NSMF200-2

Most likely hidden damage would be to 5V parts
U10 (serial), U12 (step/dir 0..3), U15 (encoder) ,
U19 (step/dir 0 ..3),  and U24 (step/dir 4)

Also if 24V got routed to step/dir outputs, the 27 Ohm resistor 
networks near the step/dir outputs may have been damaged
(check with ohmmeter, damage =  high resistance/open)

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28 Jun 2024 06:48 #303954 by disneysw
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Your right it is a 7i76E.


The resistor network is OK but the markings on IC's are very faded so what should I be ordering?

(I am in the UK and going to have to pay a minimum order handling charge to Farnell so I may as well order them all at the same time).

And thank you for your help!

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28 Jun 2024 13:37 #303971 by PCW
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Yes, laser marked parts are hard to read unless you have the light just right...

U10 26LS31 (SOIC16)
U12 74ACT540 (TSSOP 20)
U15 26LS32A (SOIC16)
U19 74ACT541 (TSSOP 20)
U24 74ACT04 (SOIC 14)

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