Which UI?
08 May 2024 04:39 #300094
by Aciera
The quickest way of changing things in LinuxCNC is to modify it yourself. Because with LinuxCNC you can.
Actually there is no 'board'. You are still picturing this as a product with product management and board meetings on how to spend the available resources and how to position the product on the market to maximize return on investment. It's a common misconception because so much these days works that way. Product bashing and complaining is not going to get you anywhere here. Nobody is going to send you stuff from LinuxCNC to get a foothold in whatever market or company you happen to be working in because nobody is going to have any financial gain from having you use it.If the board, or whoever decides what features are added, have intentionally not added number of teeth, then what does that say about the board?
The quickest way of changing things in LinuxCNC is to modify it yourself. Because with LinuxCNC you can.
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08 May 2024 12:16 #300113
by rodw
The best advice for implementing ANY computer system I have ever received is "Don't fight the paradigm"
If you do this, you will continue to be in a world of pain of your own making.
Its far better to adopt the Linuxcnc paradigm to start with. If you do want to rengineer a Space Shuttle, defer that until after you understand the paradigm. You may find that other positives far outweigh your perceived limitations.
Of course you are free to decide that the Linuxcnc paradigm does not suit you in which case you should adopt an alternative solution.
This is really dead simple.My use case (3-axis dual-Y router) is dead simple, but it looks like I have to reengineer the Space Shuttle to include base level features and omit impractical default UI elements.
The best advice for implementing ANY computer system I have ever received is "Don't fight the paradigm"
If you do this, you will continue to be in a world of pain of your own making.
Its far better to adopt the Linuxcnc paradigm to start with. If you do want to rengineer a Space Shuttle, defer that until after you understand the paradigm. You may find that other positives far outweigh your perceived limitations.
Of course you are free to decide that the Linuxcnc paradigm does not suit you in which case you should adopt an alternative solution.
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08 May 2024 13:27 #300121
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08 May 2024 14:59 #300129
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Remember, I am the very definition of an outsider here. I have poked a stick at LinuxCNC, to see what its defenders have to say about it, and I think I have enough information now. My takeaway is that development was abandoned decades ago, after someone with limited industrial experience graduated from the class they wrote it for as a project. Its online community has convinced itself that their baby is awesome and it's your fault for wanting something a little different. It's free so if you want something more polished, then the door is right there - don't let it hit you on the way out!
Fair!
I don't want to spoil your party.
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I am giving a back-of-the-envelope assessment of what I saw with my own eyes. I have no expectation of a reward.
Product bashing and complaining is not going to get you anywhere here.
Understood.The quickest way of changing things in LinuxCNC is to modify it yourself. Because with LinuxCNC you can.
Remember, I am the very definition of an outsider here. I have poked a stick at LinuxCNC, to see what its defenders have to say about it, and I think I have enough information now. My takeaway is that development was abandoned decades ago, after someone with limited industrial experience graduated from the class they wrote it for as a project. Its online community has convinced itself that their baby is awesome and it's your fault for wanting something a little different. It's free so if you want something more polished, then the door is right there - don't let it hit you on the way out!
Fair!
I don't want to spoil your party.
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08 May 2024 17:08 #300137
by travis036
Actually, i believe you have it all wrong, but are too pompous to figure it out.
there are still developments being made for LinuxCNC, and if you care to get off your high-horse and make a difference, rather than just stirring a turd, then by all means do so. but it seems to me that from your posts, you lack the skill to make a difference, so instead you just poke sticks.
I therefore declare, you are not worth any more of MY time. Enjoy your small little world.
there are still developments being made for LinuxCNC, and if you care to get off your high-horse and make a difference, rather than just stirring a turd, then by all means do so. but it seems to me that from your posts, you lack the skill to make a difference, so instead you just poke sticks.
I therefore declare, you are not worth any more of MY time. Enjoy your small little world.
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08 May 2024 17:17 #300139
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I was in the military for a long time, and I like to think everyone in the room has thick skin and everything is on the table. At the end of the day, we are talking about industrial automation controls, so I don’t consider this much of an emotional investment.
I wanted to know how much the people who are responsible for maintaining LinuxCNC keep it up to date, and now I know.
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You are unironically proving my point, but thanks I guess.I therefore declare, you are not worth any more of MY time. Enjoy your small little world.
I was in the military for a long time, and I like to think everyone in the room has thick skin and everything is on the table. At the end of the day, we are talking about industrial automation controls, so I don’t consider this much of an emotional investment.
I wanted to know how much the people who are responsible for maintaining LinuxCNC keep it up to date, and now I know.
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08 May 2024 18:03 #300146
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08 May 2024 18:05 #300148
by Aciera
You have asked if it was possible to have surface speed and depth of cut displayed in the GUI and I went through the trouble to suggest a solution. Yet you did not even bother to look at any of the GUIs that come with an installation of LinuxCNC to see what you might want to change. Instead you went on a rant of 'Who knows what else has been forgotten?'. That is not exactly what I would call a cool, unemotional state of mind.
There are many people here on the forum who are happy to give their time to find solutions but in your case I got the distinct impression that solutions is not what you are after. Maybe you'll find what you are looking for if you look elsewhere.
Actually, at the end of the day, when it comes to LinuxCNC we are talking about countless unpaid hours of volunteer work donated to provide a free and open source software to the interested user.At the end of the day, we are talking about industrial automation controls, so I don’t consider this much of an emotional investment.
You have asked if it was possible to have surface speed and depth of cut displayed in the GUI and I went through the trouble to suggest a solution. Yet you did not even bother to look at any of the GUIs that come with an installation of LinuxCNC to see what you might want to change. Instead you went on a rant of 'Who knows what else has been forgotten?'. That is not exactly what I would call a cool, unemotional state of mind.
There are many people here on the forum who are happy to give their time to find solutions but in your case I got the distinct impression that solutions is not what you are after. Maybe you'll find what you are looking for if you look elsewhere.
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08 May 2024 18:12 #300149
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Should have started with a rough idea of what the UI you want to look like and function, pretty sure till now we would have something to test and improve on.
As evidence, see the "Probe basic" and PlasmaC/QtPlasmaC projects, some members came here with an idea, some other members liked it, in about a week time we were testing the working products of their hard labor, now they are both at the point of putting industrial GUI's to shame, especially the QtPlasmaC that has more features than anything out there.
As evidence, see the "Probe basic" and PlasmaC/QtPlasmaC projects, some members came here with an idea, some other members liked it, in about a week time we were testing the working products of their hard labor, now they are both at the point of putting industrial GUI's to shame, especially the QtPlasmaC that has more features than anything out there.
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08 May 2024 18:23 #300150
by tommylight
Usually when someone bashes LinuxCNC i just plain ask them "how much is MACH/ArtSoft paying you", but this did not feel like that, so i did not. Also usually, they do not post anymore, confirming they were payed by them.
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Utmost respect for that! I survived 2 wars till now, was in the regular military for about a year.I was in the military for a long time...
Your replies say differently, they come as genuinely interested but a bit tired of hopping around the other solutions, mostly disappointing as it seems....so I don’t consider this much of an emotional investment.
Usually when someone bashes LinuxCNC i just plain ask them "how much is MACH/ArtSoft paying you", but this did not feel like that, so i did not. Also usually, they do not post anymore, confirming they were payed by them.
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