Industrial Automation Project
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16 Aug 2023 17:59 #278188
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Back in 2020 I built an industrial automation system using a PLC and linuxCNC running on a ASRock Q1900 ITX.
forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-q...tion-machine?start=0
This machine turned out very well and continues to operate today. Now I am looking at another automation machine with the same basic concept of PLC control over the LinuxCNC environment. The criteria for any type of industrial automation is available replacement parts and reliability. The ASRock board has proven to be reliable using a 7i76e board and I could use it again in this next application.
My question is is there another more up to date motherboard available that runs LinuxCNC stable with a Mesa 7i76e? I just want to make sure I am using the latest proven hardware because this next machine may have a very long service life. I am open to any stable platform that should have long-term availability.
Thanks for your input.
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forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-q...tion-machine?start=0
This machine turned out very well and continues to operate today. Now I am looking at another automation machine with the same basic concept of PLC control over the LinuxCNC environment. The criteria for any type of industrial automation is available replacement parts and reliability. The ASRock board has proven to be reliable using a 7i76e board and I could use it again in this next application.
My question is is there another more up to date motherboard available that runs LinuxCNC stable with a Mesa 7i76e? I just want to make sure I am using the latest proven hardware because this next machine may have a very long service life. I am open to any stable platform that should have long-term availability.
Thanks for your input.
HH
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16 Aug 2023 18:28 #278189
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What, still no pictures there?
There is a lengthy list of tested PC's on this forum, from used to new ones, and some very expensive ones i had/have. All are cased, so no board as far as i recall, so not helping much.
There is a lengthy list of tested PC's on this forum, from used to new ones, and some very expensive ones i had/have. All are cased, so no board as far as i recall, so not helping much.
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16 Aug 2023 19:22 - 16 Aug 2023 19:23 #278198
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Sorry for not posting pics earlier. Things went really sideways during the pandemic. Thanks to everyone on the forum who helped make this project successful. Prior to this project I knew nothing of LinuxCNC.
The operator loads the raw material on one of the pallets that circulate around the system. They load raw material layers into a specific location on the pallet via the aid of a projected image from the overhead projector (code written in Python). Once they press start the pallet goes into the heat press and laminates the material (3 to 5 layers) and bonds them into one. Then it circulates into the CNC section where it is cut into the correct geometry. The operator of this machine has zero knowledge of LinuxCNC or any CNC operations. They simply select a product code via the touch screen and the software loads the correct image in the projector and then the software communicates to LinuxCNC using NML messages to load the correct g-code. It is fully automatic material infeed, run the g-code, automatic material outfeed, automatic homing on startup and rehoming on estop events. The Python software operates as a bridge between the PLC and LinuxCNC eliminating the need for the operator to know anything about CNC operation. I cannot say what the finished product is to protect my customer but I can say that it makes a medical device.
This next machine will process 20ft rectangular aluminum tubes for the RV market and be able to drill and pocket all 4 sides running a different g-code file for every side. It will also auto rotate and tube.
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The operator loads the raw material on one of the pallets that circulate around the system. They load raw material layers into a specific location on the pallet via the aid of a projected image from the overhead projector (code written in Python). Once they press start the pallet goes into the heat press and laminates the material (3 to 5 layers) and bonds them into one. Then it circulates into the CNC section where it is cut into the correct geometry. The operator of this machine has zero knowledge of LinuxCNC or any CNC operations. They simply select a product code via the touch screen and the software loads the correct image in the projector and then the software communicates to LinuxCNC using NML messages to load the correct g-code. It is fully automatic material infeed, run the g-code, automatic material outfeed, automatic homing on startup and rehoming on estop events. The Python software operates as a bridge between the PLC and LinuxCNC eliminating the need for the operator to know anything about CNC operation. I cannot say what the finished product is to protect my customer but I can say that it makes a medical device.
This next machine will process 20ft rectangular aluminum tubes for the RV market and be able to drill and pocket all 4 sides running a different g-code file for every side. It will also auto rotate and tube.
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17 Aug 2023 09:02 #278242
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"All are cased, so no board as far as i recall, so not helping much"
Not necessarily stuck on a board based solution, although it is convenient for mounting in a panel. I just want something rock stable and available new, the cost within reason is not an issue either.
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Not necessarily stuck on a board based solution, although it is convenient for mounting in a panel. I just want something rock stable and available new, the cost within reason is not an issue either.
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17 Aug 2023 12:59 - 18 Aug 2023 11:22 #278261
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Ok, then safest bet would be HP 8300 USDT, me and some others on this forum use those and no issues so far.
It is small but has a separate power brick so makes more cables but easier to find space for it inside the box.
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Edit, corrected the PC version from SFF to USDT as noted below by JPL, thank you.
It is small but has a separate power brick so makes more cables but easier to find space for it inside the box.
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Edit, corrected the PC version from SFF to USDT as noted below by JPL, thank you.
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17 Aug 2023 17:24 #278281
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Thanks Tommy! That's what it will be then.
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18 Aug 2023 01:39 #278318
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But then, you've just mentioned SFF and external power brick... Hummm, that doesn't work ... I've checked and it seems that SFF model have internal power supply, much like the bigger models and that only the ultra-small (USDT) need an external psu.
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I'm confused ... I have a bunch of the smallest 8300 model, this is the USDT also called ultra-small. Those indeed have an external power supply and yes, they perform very well with linuxcnc . I actually bought them somewhat because of your previous comment about this. Thank you for that.Ok, then safest bet would be HP 8300 SFF, me and some others on this forum use those and no issues so far.
It is small but has a separate power brick so makes more cables but easier to find space for it inside the box.
But then, you've just mentioned SFF and external power brick... Hummm, that doesn't work ... I've checked and it seems that SFF model have internal power supply, much like the bigger models and that only the ultra-small (USDT) need an external psu.
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18 Aug 2023 11:21 #278351
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Yes the ones with separate power brick.
Sorry for the confusion, but it is a mess with the naming manufacturers use.
I will try to refer to it as USDT, although that will always remind me of the USDT or US Dollar Tether used in crypto exchanges!
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USSF ?But then, you've just mentioned SFF and external power brick... Hummm, that doesn't work
... I've checked and it seems that SFF model have internal power supply, much like the bigger models and that only the ultra-small (USDT) need an external psu.
Yes the ones with separate power brick.
Sorry for the confusion, but it is a mess with the naming manufacturers use.
I will try to refer to it as USDT, although that will always remind me of the USDT or US Dollar Tether used in crypto exchanges!
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18 Aug 2023 11:38 - 18 Aug 2023 11:41 #278354
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@Tommy, I saw those sold on e-Bay as 'SFF', 'USFF', 'Ultra-small', and 'USDT'
Per the manufacturer this should be USDT but yeah, this is a mess:
-SFF: Not the right one, it's sized smaller than a mid tower but bigger than the USDT
-USFF: Not a thing, Made up by some reseller (but indeed make more sense than usdt)
-Ultra-small: Not a thing, but describe it well.
-USDT: Doesn't sound right (WTF does DT means?), but this is the official HP designation
But if you say the model with the external power brick I'm pretty sure everyone will understand too.
Per the manufacturer this should be USDT but yeah, this is a mess:
-SFF: Not the right one, it's sized smaller than a mid tower but bigger than the USDT
-USFF: Not a thing, Made up by some reseller (but indeed make more sense than usdt)
-Ultra-small: Not a thing, but describe it well.
-USDT: Doesn't sound right (WTF does DT means?), but this is the official HP designation
But if you say the model with the external power brick I'm pretty sure everyone will understand too.
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18 Aug 2023 11:51 #278356
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But, and this is a big but, that would imply you are buying a desk, not a PC, with ultra small size!
Yeah, someone named those "Desk Top PC" a while back so it stuck, and i do not blame them, i had the big tower 386 back then, it hardly fit under a desk, putting it on top of the desk would have been detrimental to the well being of that desk due to immense weight.
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Ultra Small Desk Top-USDT: Doesn't sound right (WTF does DT means?), but this is the official HP designation
But, and this is a big but, that would imply you are buying a desk, not a PC, with ultra small size!
Yeah, someone named those "Desk Top PC" a while back so it stuck, and i do not blame them, i had the big tower 386 back then, it hardly fit under a desk, putting it on top of the desk would have been detrimental to the well being of that desk due to immense weight.
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