Hypertherm powermax 85
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This reminds me, why is this still the default in QtPlasmaC?I was struggling with qtplasmac. I could not toggle the estop,
Pretty sure i have mentioned this before, i need to edit the hal file to be able to use the machines.
Using the E-stop is a button feature, configs made with PncConf.
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But plasma is a bit special so I think I would start with qtplasmac.
It is a bit funny with estop handling, read up on qtplasmac estop modes
To start with, focus on building a basic machine that has a functional estop, motors that move and home, then add the plasma specific bits one at aa time.
While you are reading, the plasma primer covers the basics of plasma cutting ad how and why qtplasmac has certain features
linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/plasma/plasma-cnc-primer.html
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I should be able to start building the table next week to get the motors mounted. I wired all the power supplies and the drivers. You can tell me what you think and where I have errored on the wiring and layout. I am a mechanic by trade so it’s kinda hard to do this with a hammer and baling twine. youtube.com/shorts/uxy19WZkELQ?si=7896woIDqnIHwkcO
I still need to mount this in a cabinet and am planning on installing a fuse box on the line side. Is there any other fuses I should install? Can all these electronics be in the same box or do they need separated?
thanks in advance.
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I do have a few Questions.
1 Do you think running one linear rail (HGR15) will be enough on the x axis?
2 Is 50-60lbs (22-27kg)to heavy for a Gantry that is 5 feet wide (1.5m)?
3 What is a good free or at least affordable cam and cad software for a cnc plasma table?
4 Will there be any problems having all my Drivers, PSUs, Mesa Boards and PC all in the same metal cabinet?
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2. it is usable, just do not expect "racing" accelerations, plasma works even with quite low accelerations for anything thicker than 2mm
3. Inkscape free and waht i use, SheetCam not free what others here use.
4. Not usually if the box is big enough, using a fan help during summer time, fan on the bottom of the case pushing air in, exhaust on the sides or bottom.
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2. after some extensive engieering calcs developed over 3 months, we concluded that for a 20-30 kg gantry, a 30mm pinion, 5:1 reduction and a small NEMA34 motor was required. I used a Moon ML34HD2l4500 5 amp motor. There was a case to use a slightly larger Moon 7 amp motor.
3. Onshape is free for CAD, buy Sheetcam. It has a post processor for plasmac
4. No issues with a single box.
On the motors, we used Lam Technologies drivers at 62 volts AC (55 volts might be safer) and achived 5 m/sec/sec (about 0.5 G) accelleration and 30 m/min rapids. I wrote a custom component to leverage Lam's boost feature so they could cool off at constant velocity as what we were doing would not be achievable with standard drivers. We relied on our engineering with open loop steppers which never lost steps. We wanted the massive low down torque for accelleration.
I might add the only NEMA 23/24 motor I have seen to meet our design parameters is an ethercat closed loop one from rtelligent (their largest). But I have not used one.
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Keeping weight balanced and as close to the rail improves things a lot, but physical constraints might not allow that always.
And the most important part, to what the rail is bolted to, weight will bend that part way before a HiWin or NSK or THK 15 rail will move.
I have done some tests with HGR25 and a 4mm thick walled square 80x80mm metal profile will bend a lot with 15kg weight at 50cm from the rail when that rail is bolted to the middle of that profile, less so when bolted near edges.
Have a look at my machines, all have rails at or near the top of the aluminium profile and the Z axis is mounted so the carriage/rail is roughly at the center mass of the Z.
Given enough acceleration, everything bends and vobles, it is just a balance of several factors to limit that.
A while back i had a small cnc router with over 40kg cantalivered on a THK45 long carriage, rail bolted to a 6mm thick 200x100 metal profile, it was very usable as accelerations were low, but moving Z axis from near the rail to the hanging side would dip 0.3mm just from weight. That carriage can handle over 20 tons, so the rail and carriage can hande that easily, everything else can not. I did step on the hanging part, it moved a lot but the rail and carriage did not care at all that i added 86kg sideways to it!
To be on the safe side, use 2 of HGR15 rails, as Rod said.
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I will be cutting a lot of 18 gauge so it will be half the thickness of 2mm Do you think a 27kg gantry will do alright cutting that? I am using nema 34 4.2 amp. 4:1 ratio and then driving with a 20 tooth 12mm OD2. it is usable, just do not expect "racing" accelerations, plasma works even with quite low accelerations for anything thicker than 2mm
I am using an old metal cabinet plenty of room... even for any upgrades If i decide to later. I still need to get some fans, but I did come across some real nice fan guards/grills that I will be using.4. Not usually if the box is big enough, using a fan help during summer time, fan on the bottom of the case pushing air in, exhaust on the sides or bottom.
I think I will use two rails then. and try to shave down weight other places.To be on the safe side, use 2 of HGR15 rails,
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I can do inches, troy ounces, yards, feet, square feet, miles, nautical miles, air miles, etc in my head easily as they are related to something somehow, gauges are not.
Although i have a hunch it is inch/gauge so in this case 25.4/18=1.4mm ? So is it?
Moving on, yes you can use 27kg gantry to cut 1.4mm (if that is 18 gauge) thick material but you will have to lower the cut current and adjust the cut speed accordingly. The main issue will be with piercing, not cutting, so no pierce delay at all.
Here is a 23KG gantry cutting at 12m/m (472 inches/minute) using two Nema 23 steppers with 1:3 reduction.
Nema 23 with some reduction would have been better only due to vibrations.
As for cabinet, 60 degree C is all good, above it it tends to cause issues with the PC as usually the processor will be nearly 100 and might start to throttle down. The rest will be usually OK up to 70 or more, i have seen 86 and everything was working just fine, but that is pushing it to far.
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