need help with ethercat vs mesa

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5 months 1 week ago #346605 by spumco
Since you mentioned price sensitivity, you might think about IO - both current and future needs.

Ethercat drives generally have onboard IO available which can be used as general purpose, but these aren't directly expandable without adding more drives.  Nor can drive onboard IO drive high-power outputs directly - you'll likely need some relays (or similar) to turn on pumps, air cylinders, etc.

If you need more IO than the drives offer you'll need to add an IO module, such as a Beckhoff or other vendor.  Or go with non-realtime IO based on some USB solution.

I haven't priced Ethercat IO modules, but I suspect they are more expensive per IO point than Mesa.  It might be instructive to set up a spreadsheet with all your current and future IO requirements and price out an Ethercat solution vs. Mesa.

Or perhaps both Ethercat and Mesa - this is also an option.

Another consideration is your (future) ATC - have you thought about how to control it?  Will it be a 'dumb' motor using a geneva mechanism, or a servo-controlled thing with a reudcer?  Or something else?

Reason I bring this up is that it might be helpful to find an example of an LCNC configuration which matches your intended hardware...are there any examples of an ATC using Ethercat available, or will you need to break new ground?  Same goes for your possible laser.

It all gets rather complicated, doesn't it?

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5 months 1 week ago #346606 by greenRainbow
I looked into ethercat options for i/o and found many different modules at many different price points. Because there is so much aviable prices are not too bad. Its also easy to connect more i/o to the ethercat chain.

With the 7i96s I have a smart serial aviable for expansion cards but its only one port. Multiple boards, I think need to be daisy chained, dont know how to tho. 

The atc will be controlled by pneumatics. If you mean the rack/magazin I will try to design a semi active one, similar to what Marius Hornberger built for his hammer cnc. There will be a rack that moves out of the way when not in use. I plan on making mine not purely mechanical tho.

I hope people already did similar builds and I just need to connect the dots, basicly taking parts I need to make a build out of it. Playing around in the dark is not exactly my aim. 

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5 months 6 days ago - 5 months 6 days ago #346645 by timo
Just a general question. Does a mixed system work? Put the basics on the Mesa card and, if needed, extend with Ethercat?
Last edit: 5 months 6 days ago by timo. Reason: typos

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5 months 6 days ago #346646 by tommylight

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5 months 6 days ago #346647 by rodw

Just a general question. Does a mixed system work? Put the basics on the Mesa card and, if needed, extend with Ethercat?
Makes no sense to me, a bit like being half pregnant. But each half would need their own NIC. There are plenty of Ethercat IO modles and its easy to write the XML they need. The one that is costly with limited options (eg. Beckhoff) is an encoder for spindle. 

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5 months 6 days ago - 5 months 6 days ago #346653 by greenRainbow
I also heard about mesa-ethercat combo but it sounds complex with no real benefit. Something you try just because you can I feel. It would probably make sense for me to see what kind of modules I need for ethercat and look how much thats going to cost. 
I need 4 servos, 60 € more than the other servos for all 4, dont know if sto makes sense for me, that would be another ~ 60 € ish. 
I already have a pilz safety relais, how do I tie that into the system with sto?

Im using 8 endsensors and possibly multiple tool sensors in the future,  so I would go for 16 i/o right now and add more later if needed.

VFD would be controlled by a 10v analog output ~50 €

In turn I could sell my mesa, dont know how much I would get tho. Sadly I cant send it back anymore, at least I think so.
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