Gerber 408 retrofit

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3 years 2 months ago #278406 by tommylight
Replied by tommylight on topic Gerber 408 retrofit

The downside is that you will have to tune the PID settings using a screwdriver with the Gecko drive's potentiometers, and can only tell what is going on using the LEDs and audible oscillation. Very different from being able to use halscope!
You can use halscope, but it does require having differential output encoders and a Mesa board with encoder inputs, and very good knowledge of wiring/powering stuff as Gecko has its own power for encoders and so does Mesa, making sure those are at the same 0/zero/gnd/potential is absolutely important, and using the +5V only from Gecko to power encoders.
So not easy/comfortable/possible always.

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3 years 2 months ago #278410 by fdarling
Replied by fdarling on topic Gerber 408 retrofit

The downside is that you will have to tune the PID settings using a screwdriver with the Gecko drive's potentiometers, and can only tell what is going on using the LEDs and audible oscillation. Very different from being able to use halscope!

You can use halscope, but it does require having differential output encoders and a Mesa board with encoder inputs, and very good knowledge of wiring/powering stuff as Gecko has its own power for encoders and so does Mesa, making sure those are at the same 0/zero/gnd/potential is absolutely important, and using the +5V only from Gecko to power encoders.
So not easy/comfortable/possible always.
 
You are correct that you can still use HALscope with the Gecko drives, however if you already have the hardware that can deal with interfacing the encoders to LinuxCNC, then why aren't you just using that setup permanently? It's much easier to tune the PID from the "calibration" dialog within LinuxCNC, rather than use the potentiometers on the Gecko drive.

Mesa cards support single ended encoders via jumpers, but the Gecko drive only supports single ended not differential. You can simply use half the differential signals to effectively look single ended, however you lose the noise immunity if they are run a long distance (through the drag chain from the motors). This is why I am suggesting the use of the ENCY encoder repeater, so that it takes in the differential signal and cleans it up into a new differential output, where you can opt to use only half the outputs as single ended. You can send the repeated signal to the Gecko drive, and possibly the secondary repeated signal to a Mesa card if present for tuning purposes. Again, I would instead forgo the Gecko drive and just use a Mesa card (or my kit)!

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3 years 2 months ago #278413 by tommylight
Replied by tommylight on topic Gerber 408 retrofit


You are correct that you can still use HALscope with the Gecko drives, however if you already have the hardware that can deal with interfacing the encoders to LinuxCNC, then why aren't you just using that setup permanently? It's much easier to tune the PID from the "calibration" dialog within LinuxCNC, rather than use the potentiometers on the Gecko drive.
I Am using it, well not me but a client i retrofitted the machines for:
forum.linuxcnc.org/show-your-stuff/47357...ines?start=10#257711
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Also, you can not tune Geckos form LinuxCNC, you still have to roughly tune Geckos on it's own, then use LinuxCNC and fine tune stuff.

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3 years 2 months ago #278631 by Gerber408
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@fdarling, sent you an email.

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3 years 5 days ago - 3 years 5 days ago #283923 by Gerber408
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Deleted - was not relevant.
Last edit: 3 years 5 days ago by Gerber408. Reason: Didn't go where I thought it would, so rewrote an appropriate post.

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2 years 11 months ago #284591 by Mikexx
Replied by Mikexx on topic Gerber 408 retrofit

So, if I understand correctly, the step on time, step space, direction hold, direction space should be doubled as a starting point?

I found this info online and believe that it may be accurate:
for the X, and Y axis which should allow me to calculate my scaling.
servo encoder counts per revolution: 4000
Servo teeth: 28
Lead screw teeth: 70
Pitch: 20mm
counts per mm: 500

Can you please confirm the "servo encoder counts per revolution"? The RM21D datasheet implies the optional count ranges from 5 to 2,048. While it has a 2,000 option it's not obvious if this is per channel or overall encoder count?

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