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08 Apr 2014 19:17
Replied by BigJohnT on topic THC problem

THC problem

Category: CNC Machines

I don't have a lot of time to look at your files right now (work demands) but I can offer up my old 5i20 config files for my plasma torch for comparison.

JT
10 Apr 2014 00:50
Replied by bokorugro_111 on topic THC problem

THC problem

Category: CNC Machines

Thank You for the answers!

I watched the encoder scale in the hal config. It is 1, it seems that the default scale parameter is 1.

The HT plasma source has an own arc voltage output with max 300VDC. We use resistances to reduce it max 10V for the Mesa THCAD 10V.

We have made some test cutting to check the thc.volts.
Material 5mm thick steel plate , 60 A - according to the HT manula the arc voltage is approx 135V.
During cutting I see the halconfig/ pin / THC / thc.volts and the thc.zpos-out.

Test 1: volt setting is 135V, Velocity tolerance 5, Volt tolerance 1
Result: head is crashed into the plate, thc.volts is changed betwen 100-115V, thc.zpos-out is below -30 after a 100mm cutting.

Test 2: volt setting is 100V, Velocity tolerance 5, Volt tolerance 1
Result: head is rised, thc.volts is changed betwen 120-136V,

Test 3: volt setting is 124V, Velocity tolerance 5, Volt tolerance 1
Result: head is crashed into the plate, thc.volts is changed betwen 124-135V, thc.zpos-out is below -30.


One more remark, if I uncheck the Enable THC function after the test 3, the Z is rized up with the value of the thc.zpos-out.



Regards,

Csaba
10 Apr 2014 01:38
Replied by PCW on topic THC problem

THC problem

Category: CNC Machines

You probably have the THC scale/offset wrong

Note that if you use a negative THC scale the THC offset must also be negative
(or set the encoder scale to -1 and set thc scale and thc offset to positive numbers)

You can verify that you have the scaling right by monitoring
the thc components thc.volts pin while varying the input voltage.

The next thing is to verify that the correction motion direction is correct for
too high and too low thc voltages relative to the thc.volts-requested pin
10 Apr 2014 15:10
Replied by Rick G on topic THC problem

THC problem

Category: CNC Machines

As PCW said it looks like a problem with scale/offset and compensation direction.

Can you disconnect the voltage input to the THCAD from your plasma power supply and apply a know voltage such as a battery to the THCAD and confirm that the thc voltage in hal is correct?

Rick G
10 Apr 2014 15:39
Replied by bokorugro_111 on topic THC problem

THC problem

Category: CNC Machines

That is a good idea!
In this case we can check it independently of other parameters and influencing factors.

We will try it!

Thank You!

Csaba
12 Apr 2014 17:33
Replied by bokorugro_111 on topic THC problem

THC problem

Category: CNC Machines

Hi,

We have tried to give dc voltage form an adapter to the THCAD.
We set for volt setting 20V and also gave 20V form the adapter.

In hal pin the thv.volts is 0,65..V in the case of 0V input, and ~21V in the case of 20V input. So we have 0,2V differece as each 10V.
I think it is quite good, but have to adjusted.

The problem was that the z.pos.out was made only negative direction movement despite of we have changed the input voltage below or above 20V.

Csaba
13 Apr 2014 01:51
Replied by Rick G on topic THC problem

THC problem

Category: CNC Machines

In hal pin the thv.volts is 0,65..V in the case of 0V input

In this case adjust the Offset to get 0 volts which should also bring the 21 volt at 20 closer to correct.

Test 1: volt setting is 135V, Velocity tolerance 5, Volt tolerance 1
Result: head is crashed into the plate, thc.volts is changed betwen 100-115V, thc.zpos-out is below -30 after a 100mm cutting.

Test 2: volt setting is 100V, Velocity tolerance 5, Volt tolerance 1
Result: head is rised, thc.volts is changed betwen 120-136V,


This seems to indicate that the THC is working but the correction direction is in the wrong direction.

Rick G
13 Apr 2014 13:43
Replied by Rick G on topic THC problem

THC problem

Category: CNC Machines

Also in your testing for the THC to make a correction it needs signals that...
The torch is turned on.
The arc transfer / arc O.K. is on.
The THC is enabled.
The velocity is within tolerance.
The torch voltage is out of tolerance.

Rick G
26 Apr 2014 19:35
Replied by Rick G on topic THC problem

THC problem

Category: CNC Machines

Did you get this sorted out?

Rick G
30 May 2014 07:16 - 10 Aug 2019 08:49

THC config that works.

Category: Basic Configuration


Superseded by :
forum.linuxcnc.org/plasma-laser/35449-another-plasma-component

linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/plasma/plasmac-user-guide.html

Please use the above config for plasma machines as it has all the possible features included.
Thank you PhillC.

forum.linuxcnc.org/plasma-laser/34978-th...-with-how-to?start=0
New configs also located there, including ones for MESA boards.
Still you might want to read through it as it has plenty of useful info.


Here is a config for simple plasma that have the usual UP DOWN ARCOK signals that actually works properly without giving feed errors and moving the Z axes randomly.
It is based on the THC300 config with relaxed timings and properly tested on 2 machines with PROMA THC.
There is a readme and how to file with some explanations for pin and scale and velocity/acceleration setup, so please do let me know if it is understandable.
Regards,
Tom

Edited to add config with HOW TO and README and everything that may be needed to get it working.

Adding some more info on how to start setting up the machine as it might be useful to many who are using THC not only from PROMA Elektronika, but in general.
>>added post heist>>
When you do get to testing it, follow this short procedure so you do not have to hunt around for problems that might arise:
---on the Proma THC (or similar THC)
--set the hysteresis at 2, ( or the lowest value you can set it)
--set the voltage difference at 2 (or 1 again lowest value, this is usually a +-2V so it takes 4V of difference for the torch to move)
--set the voltage to 140
--put it in test mode ( press both buttons till you see TST on the proma, on some others you need to switch it off, hold the middle button and switch it on while holding that button) and check if the UP/DOWN, ARC OK signals are in order and corresponding to up/down arc ok from the THC, visible on the right side of Linucnc
Now on LinuxCNC check the "switch travel" and adjust it accordingly, also the pierce height (GAP)set to 3mm
Press F9, it should move the torch down till it hits the material and continue moving down till it triggers the floating switch, move up to pierce height and fire the torch as shown by the yellow LED on the right side panel of Linuxcnc and wait for ARC OK signal without moving. If all is well, switch on the plasma and test again, it should pierce and start moving Z axis down slowly. Stop with F9 or ESC.
Now set you jog speed to something corresponding to your test metal thickness ( for 3mm--1/8inch set it to 1500mm/m or 60IPM and 40 to 50 Amps) .
Again press F9 and when you get the ARC OK press the arrow keys to move, watch if the torch is going up or down and the aprox distance from the metal. If all is OK, you should have the torch moving to high so just set the THC to a lover voltage and test again.
After 2 or 3 tries you should get nice cuts so now you can move on to testing actual cutting and finding a nice cutting height and feed speed.
Only after all this you can test and set the THC following speed, so set the metal plate at an angle aprox 3 to 4cm high on one side and flat to the table on the other. Do a test cut climbing the plate and dropping down. Set the "step size" on the right side panel of Linuxcnc lower or higher so you get it to follow that slope at a distance of at least 30cm (12inch) smoothly without to much of up/down torch movement.
That is it, now all you need is to set the Amps, feed and rarely voltage on the THC depending on the thickness of the material and the state of consumables.
It will take a bit of testing to get nice clean cuts without to much dross.
If you have problems with unclean cuts and too much dross (also referred to as slag), google for Hypertherm and Mr. Jim Colt, they are absolutely the best at what they do, Hypertherm as a manufacturer all other manufacturers should look up to for tech support for their products, and Jim for his relentless support on the forums and blogs and anything and everything regarding plasma cutting and cutters, he has a wealth of knowledge and he shares it like candy.
With utmost respect,
Tom
30 May 2014 19:28
Replied by BigJohnT on topic THC config that works.

THC config that works.

Category: Basic Configuration

Wow you got the THC300 config to work!

Did you mean to attach the same file twice?

JT
31 May 2014 01:16
Replied by emcPT on topic THC config that works.

THC config that works.

Category: Basic Configuration

I would like to ask if this can be used to move during the cut (during execution mode) the Z axis using two keys. I need to jog the Z manually during a cut in a waterjet machine when the plate is not flat.

Thank you
31 May 2014 07:09
Replied by tommylight on topic THC config that works.

THC config that works.

Category: Basic Configuration


Did you mean to attach the same file twice?

JT


No, i did not but it happened, sorry for that.
31 May 2014 07:14
Replied by tommylight on topic THC config that works.

THC config that works.

Category: Basic Configuration

I would like to ask if this can be used to move during the cut (during execution mode) the Z axis using two keys. I need to jog the Z manually during a cut in a waterjet machine when the plate is not flat.

Thank you


Yes you can, but you need a floating head and and ARCOK signal ( easily done with a switch by hand, or even better connected to pressure sensor since a watterjet must have that). Floating head can be made simply with a piece of drawer slide a switch and a spring.
02 Jun 2014 18:05
Replied by BosniaCNC on topic THC config that works.

THC config that works.

Category: Basic Configuration

Pozdrav Tomo!
Svaka pohvala za tvoj rad jer se retko ko posvećuje eksternim signalima za kontrolu ili pogon dodatnih uredjaja za cnc.
Vidim da ovde (na forumu) moderatori i administratori vode glavnu reč i mi ostali samo postavljamo pitanja i koristimo njihov rad.
Ja sam do sada u radu koristio Mach3 ali sam odlučio da predjem na linuxcnc pa sada pod stare dane (64 godine) učim.
Instalirao sam 10.04 pa dnevno po dva-tri sata provodim za računarom učeći kako sve ovo funkcioniše.
Molio bih te da mi detaljnije objasniš kako da instaliram i pokrenem ovaj tvoj fajl "thc-toma.zip". Raspakovao sam ga u posebnom direktoriju i pomoću geditora pregledao šta piše u fajlovima i to mi je jasno - potrebna je dodatna LPT kartica kao drugi port i ona nije problem.
Meni problem predstavlja što nisam naviknut na sintaksu i načine instalacija u linuxu jer kao što znaš to pod WinXP ide na "setup" ili se u Mach3 urade skripte.
Hvala ti unapred za odgovor i pomoć pa se ponovo "vidimo" ovde.
Pozdrav
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