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Hypersensing with THCAD - better way to do ohmic sensing
_BUT_ beware that the resistor must withstand full plasma voltage and the 390k
resistor must remain in place since it sets the full scale THCAD range (= 24V)
A resistor to raise the sensing current would go from +24V to the probe
Note that 1K is probably way too low because it could dissipate ~100W
at 300V, 10K 10W might be a more reasonable compromise (roughly 50X
higher sense current)
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I was under the impressions that the probing is switched off before firing the torch.
Adding a relay will solve that issue.
Now i have to wonder, if the probing THCAD is on all the time, the use of another THCAD seems redundant.
Will think about it a bit, while waiting for my THCAD's to arrive.
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Hmmmm that is new to me, thank you PCW.
I was under the impressions that the probing is switched off before firing the torch.
Adding a relay will solve that issue.
Now i have to wonder, if the probing THCAD is on all the time, the use of another THCAD seems redundant.
Will think about it a bit, while waiting for my THCAD's to arrive.
Yes the arc voltage is seen by the ohmic probe sensor.
I don't think a THCAD calibrated to read the arc voltage will be sensitive enough to read a 24v (or even 48V) voltage.
One of the advantages of this circuit is that it removed all relays and additional components. IF you are going to add them back, it makes no sense to use the THCAD.
Remember, we are talking about a use case here that is an issue for any ohmic sensing circuit.
I think its premature to be modifying the circuit at this stage as we have not exhausted software solutions.
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And i do get that using relays will defeat the purpose of THCAD, so back to the drawing board.
Also i am sure it is an issue as i have seen it used only on downdraft tables, never on water tables. But that will not stop us from trying to get around it and find something usable and reliable. Oh i miss my THCAD's.........
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I know there has been a lot of discussion at times about "false" triggering of ohmic sensing. I can say with certainty that I have never had a problem with this that was a true false trigger. Yes, I have probing errors all the time but they are always caused by a flooded torch end or dross stuck in the torch end. So the probing errors are always cause by a true shorted torch which is why you check for that condition before the start of probing..
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An interesting quote from John in this post
I know there has been a lot of discussion at times about "false" triggering of ohmic sensing. I can say with certainty that I have never had a problem with this that was a true false trigger. Yes, I have probing errors all the time but they are always caused by a flooded torch end or dross stuck in the torch end. So the probing errors are always cause by a true shorted torch which is why you check for that condition before the start of probing..
I'm pretty sure that is why John made you add the probe test button to the GUI so he could check for a shorted torch before running a job. Press the button and if the ohmic light came on, he had a problem.
I've made some progress recoding using a moving average to hopefully account for the noise observed which worried me.
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Water is not a software issue, and there is nothing in software to fix that.
Tommy what about softwater instead of software????
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An interesting quote from John in this post
I know there has been a lot of discussion at times about "false" triggering of ohmic sensing. I can say with certainty that I have never had a problem with this that was a true false trigger. Yes, I have probing errors all the time but they are always caused by a flooded torch end or dross stuck in the torch end. So the probing errors are always cause by a true shorted torch which is why you check for that condition before the start of probing..
I'm pretty sure that is why John made you add the probe test button to the GUI so he could check for a shorted torch before running a job. Press the button and if the ohmic light came on, he had a problem.
Exactly...
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None of that around here, we use plain hard water from the surrounding mountains, it has plenty of calcium and other minerals in it!
Water is not a software issue, and there is nothing in software to fix that.
Tommy what about softwater instead of software????
Back on subject, or subjects as this is going on on two separate threads and causing a lot of chasing around, can you do a plot of the THCAD5 raw voltage from the time a probe is issued till it finishes, please ? I would like to see the change throughout the process with a dry and a wet torch. Also a plot from the torch on signal to arcok from both THCAD's.
Both of you, please, as it looks one is having much more issues than the other, and he might be onto something regarding his wiring.
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Ohmic sensing does not work on a water table with a Plasmacam despite what people say. The water continuously goes back into the nozzle and shorts it out causing a "torch hit material" error. The machine continues to blow air after it is done cutting and this causes water to spray up into the torch, shorting it out.
See: plasmaspider.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=30183
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