Voltage divider for Mesa THCAD-10?

Sounds awesome, i am doing the wiring today. i feel way more confident in what i am doing now. Greatly appreciate your feedback!

AgentWD40 wrote:

That's my diagram!

I told him you could not be trusted!

This diagram pops up a lot. The power supplies bother me a bit. It can't be considered a reference design
1. Stepper motor power supply should be seperate and in the range 48-70 volts depending on drivers used. (doubling volts roughly quadruples torque)
2. The 5V and 24 v power supplies could be DIN rail mount Meanwell MDR which are pretty cheap and nice and compact ( I used caged power supplies way bigger than what was required too).

There is no need to use a mechanical relay for the torch on but polarity needs to be expected or the torch may come on straight away.
ArcOK software debounce of 10 ms minimum is a good idea as some of the relays in the plasma cutter are quite slow switching. Plasmac defaults to 5.

The ArcOK signal needs to have something in hardware to ensure the relay contacts do not oxidise which results in intermittent/failed operation. Traditionally a pulldown resistor is used. A HS10 100 ohm 10W resistor would give 200 mA or so on a 24 V circuit, above the relay 100 mA minimum current. PCW has suggested you could use a capacitor to cause a higher current burst to burn off oxide every time the arcOK relay activates. I use a pulldown resistor.

tommylight wrote:

Never had to use any of this, ever, but it is simple and costs close to nothing.

Tommy, its not really helpful to dismiss the issue when others in this thread have said:

So far my machine works fine except I'm recently experiencing arkOk issues

It is a real issue for some people so why not develop a robust solution right at the beginning when they build their machine? It won't affect other users if they adopt the same defensive design.

Rod, can you draw up those hardware options in a schematic? I think more than a few of us grunts are more comfy with pretty pictures.

I apologize to op for inadvertantly derailing your thread. I've seen this particular tangent spin off a few times. Perhaps rod or someone could start a definitive thread to address the possible solutions (with lots of pretty pictures of course)

rodw wrote:

AgentWD40 wrote:

That's my diagram!

I told him you could not be trusted!

(doubling volts roughly quadruples torque)

That's not accurate. More voltage will give you more torque when the torque starts to fall at higher speeds.

Your better off using more current and/or less microstepping.

phillc54 wrote:

The "hardware" solutions are to overcome the effects of mechnical relay contact oxidisation/passivation. Reputable manufaturers will specify if a minimum current is required.

This is the trouble. No plasma cutter manufacturer I've seen specifies a minimum current. You have to open the machine, locate the ArcOK relay, identify it and find the datasheet.

I think its probably to do with a transition from an analog to a digital world becasue the digital circuits are low impedance circuits so the current draw is not enough for the relays carried forward from the old world.

Its entirely up to you to design a reliable system. There are many views on how to do this becasue there are several solutions and different views on the optimal component values.

bevins wrote:

rodw wrote:

AgentWD40 wrote:

That's my diagram!

I told him you could not be trusted! (doubling volts roughly quadruples torque)

That's not accurate. More voltage will give you more torque when the torque starts to fall at higher speeds.Your better off using more current and/or less microstepping.

I still don't think we have it right.


This is a torque curve for a Moon Industries ML34HD0L4700 motor
Solid red line is double the voltage of the solid blue line.
Maybe not quadrupled, but there is a significant increase in torque from 36 volts to 72 volts.
Ref: www.moonsindustries.com/p/nema-34-standa...0-000004611110010545