VistaCNC P4-SE pendant stopped working

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7 years 7 months ago - 7 years 7 months ago #129710 by DeckelHead
An excellent question, and something that Lee@VistaCNC asked this morning. The short answer is yes, within the stock OMRON part. But I need to validate that the diode is good. I missed that point.

However, I think there may be more at play here. One of the steps I tried a bit ago was to remove the COR relay (socketed, so very easy to do). If you look at the schematic clipping I sent, that would effectively render the START switch useless (I don't have a System ON indicator installed... part of the front console which is only a concept at present). Yet, pressing the START switch absolutely is correlated with bricking the pendant. I can't explain that bricking because back EMF would not be an issue. There is no inductive load (COR coil) being switched on in that case.

But, that does get us to a different point, also something I have been thinking about and that VistaCNC is suggesting)... An isolated 24VDC power supply. I'm presently using my computer power supply to provide voltages. A normal ATX power supply does not have 24VDC. I am using a buck boosting supply for that. I looked at the output with a scope and it looked good, but this whole problem kind of reeks of noise, so I'm going to dump the buck and spend a buck (OK, poor pun) to buy a separate 24VDC supply.

PS: I validated the wiring, although the terminal IDs in the clip I attached to an earlier post are incorrect. I had added an additional block that messed up the IDs... since corrected but not worth putting a new attachment for that.

ON EDIT:
Sorry, Andy, I missed your question about whether the behavior is EStop is the same regarless of where it is pressed (pendant or F1). I get the same behavior on both the mechanical switches, which is logical as they both are in the same circuit and subject to the same noise, etc. F1 on the screen behaves in an entirely different fashion and in the way I would expect and desire.
Last edit: 7 years 7 months ago by DeckelHead. Reason: Answering Andy's question from a few posts ago

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7 years 7 months ago - 7 years 7 months ago #129714 by JohnnyCNC
In my situation I have never noticed a correlation between pressing start and the pendant bricking but that could be I just never noticed it. I do have a separate 24v power supply for my field power and a standard ATX power supply running the PC, and a Non-regulated 48volt power supply for the stepper motors. All of which is in the same cabinet connected to the same 240volt supply circuit. I do feel that my issue is a noise issue. I can go for months with no issue and then it will flair up and drive me nuts.
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7 years 7 months ago - 7 years 7 months ago #129715 by DeckelHead
I'm not sure we are talking apples and oranges here. My "START" switch is specific to my estop chain. Do you have a latching relay setup like the one I have in my schematic snippet that is attached to an earlier post from me?

As for this being a noise problem... I agree for my issues too. It seems more and more like that is the problem.
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7 years 7 months ago #129720 by Mike_Eitel
I'm sure your ee-box makes your cable becoming a nice antenna for emv. If I see correct it is nothing but plastics. And also if the USB cable would be a bit shielded, that is not a real screen. Try to get a good contact from pendant cable screen to your pc-case or the plug as short and thick as possible. Such screening can also minimize spikes from estop cables. You can also take two ceramic capacitors from each estop screw and connect them to pc case.
Maybe that is not the reason, but after that I'd say you excluded direct influence of emv to pendant as reason.
Mike

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7 years 7 months ago #129721 by DeckelHead
Yeah, I understand.... There are some real areas for noise here... To be honest, I'm not entirely convinced that the cable even *has* a shield, but even if it did, I don't think it is connected to anything. And yes, in that case, it isn't going to do its job.

I thought about some suppression elsewhere on the estop lines themselves. I was going to read up on that, but you have proactively answered my question. I'll likely try the ceramic cap trick. easy to try.... Note, however, that I don't have a pc case. My "pc" is a motherboard that is mounted into the cabinet. So, I guess I'll tie to the enclosure.

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7 years 7 months ago #129723 by JohnnyCNC

Do you have a latching relay setup like the one I have in my schematic snippet that is attached to an earlier post from me?


No, I have always intended on installing a latching relay to have a fully mechanical E-Stop but haven't done it yet. Great reminder.

I did some probing with my meter and found that the shield on the RJ45 plug on the pendant is connected back to my cabinet ground through the shield or wire that connects the metal on each end of the USB cable together. Of course the EE_box is not shielded so there is an entry point. I have some 3/4 inch copper braid that I thing might fit over the USB cable. I might try sliding that over the USB cable and shielding the EE_Box.

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