VistaCNC P4-SE pendant stopped working

More
7 years 7 months ago #130043 by Mike_Eitel
Good idea to send it to the supplier and yes, always good if he is nearby.
And no, in my opinion the pendant must not handle the estop in any way. A pendant is a slave, has to follow the master. LCNC. It has to read the estop condition from LCNC and only signal that. Mixed responsibilities will not work after certain amount of updates.
That is my fiere position.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
7 years 7 months ago #130059 by DeckelHead
That is actually kind of interesting, because I have a diametrically opposing view, equally fierce, of this (unless we are misunderstanding one another).

While I agree that the interpretation of an ESTOP *software* signal should be in tight coordination with LinuxCNC (I don't really see that a pendant should not not be able to inform LinuxCNC of the desire to enter that state), I am quite convinced that any true EStop should have an electrical interrupt of whatever allows a machine to move (axis and spindle). The best would be power to the responsible amplifiers, but forcing a disablement within those devices may suffice. This is a failsafe that is completely independent of the computer, which is an important and intentional condition.

To me, the estop button on the pendant is the same as any other estop button I may add to the machine. All are wired in series so they all act the same (and, intentionally, a broken wire or disconnected pendant, will result in an estop state). The fact that Vista has two poles on their estop, one of which is wired into the chain (above) and the other is interpreted is a little bit of a curiosity to me. I'm less of a purist about the software interpretation of the switch. I was, and frankly still am, kind of on the fence about that one.

Anyhow, that is just my view. I am always interested in what others feel, and why, because it helps me decide if what I'm doing is still correct (in my mind). Your views, and those of Andy's earlier in the thread, are all welcomed and appreciated. They are thought provoking and that is a good thing. Let's face it... LinuxCNC isn't for the feint of heart. It is for people that want to invest in learning and, hopefully, are open to different ideas that challenge our own. All good stuff.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
7 years 7 months ago #130065 by JohnnyCNC
When I first bought my PS4 it wasn't the version with the EE Box. Shortly after when I was a little further along with doing my CNC conversion I wanted the external E-Stop. VistaCNC allowed me to send my pendant back and they converted it to the EE version for the price difference. If someone was not that concerned with having an external E-Stop the can still have one. I suppose there are some really small CNC machines where it really wouldn't be that unsafe.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
7 years 7 months ago #130066 by Mike_Eitel
Completely agree with independent estop. Simple to the bare metal. Cut power, sometimes, when you need the masses braked to zero, delayed by a simple time delay relais. But for the "high-level" treatment I wasn't to read that signal into master, and he tells the slaves what to do.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
7 years 7 months ago #130097 by DeckelHead
Got it, Mike.... You are talking about the interpreted EStop, and I can't argue with you on that one because I fundamentally agree with you. What you are talking about is how I originally envisioned everything would work. The ability of the pendant to separately understand the state of the EStop switch, and to then to independently initiate an estop condition, isn't something I had been aware of when I purchased the unit. However, it really isn't a big deal. I can work around this in one of two different ways. The first is to not bind the pendant estop to the real one. That should do the trick because the pendant definitely can deal with external estop switches. The second would be to open the pendant and physically disconnect the switch pole that goes to the MCU.

I'm looking at all of that "stuff" as secondary integration tasks though. Having the pendant brick as a function of pressing the estop button is a bug that needs to be resolved, IMHO. Even if it might be acceptable behavior (Andy's contention), it is still not something that is OK because it is not doing what was designed. The EStop switch (well, the pole in question) is electrically completely isolated from the USB side of things. As with any bug of this nature, even if the behavior is desired, tomorrow the pendant may brick in the middle of machining (remember, right now my VFD and amps aren't even being provided with HV, so they are pretty "quiet"); that may be Johnny's problems for all I know. So, I regard the bricking as something that needs to be fixed, whether the present end result is OK or not. Vista is helping out here, so hopefully all of this will work its way out.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
7 years 6 months ago #130201 by andypugh
What does the e-stop loop through the pendant control?
On my machines I tend to interrupt the (24V) supply to the coil on the main contactor. (and on my lathe I think that I use an auxilliary contact on the contactor to trigger e-stop in software)

I wonder if there is a big EM pulse in the e-stop wiring when you operate the button.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Time to create page: 0.306 seconds
Powered by Kunena Forum