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08 Dec 2022 01:05 #258859
by andypugh
(at least for the type of BCD that carousel understands)
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For numbers < 10 BCD and binary are identical.that matches my documentation. so set it to binary in the hal ?
(at least for the type of BCD that carousel understands)
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08 Dec 2022 01:23 #258862
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well, then there is a problem, because I am getting carousel failure to align errors. and the position of the turret is random. I'm open to suggestion on remedy's, but I need a bit of hep in the how to debug department. running my generator to spin the turret is getting expensive
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08 Dec 2022 01:44 #258863
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I assume that RANDOM_TOOLCHANGER isn't in the INI?
(This isn't a joke, much as it might look like one)
What is the exact error message? Is it from your NGC file? Which line of the NGC file?
Halscope the strobe and the carousel.0.current-position (along with ready and motor-fwd). Also, to be sure, carousel.0.pocket-number to check that is being correctly set.
(This isn't a joke, much as it might look like one)
What is the exact error message? Is it from your NGC file? Which line of the NGC file?
Halscope the strobe and the carousel.0.current-position (along with ready and motor-fwd). Also, to be sure, carousel.0.pocket-number to check that is being correctly set.
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08 Dec 2022 02:31 #258867
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No, I checked all of the files in the machine, and nowhere, even using search can i find RANDOM_TOOLCHANGER.
the error message is from my NGC file afaict, I just get a warning in axis,
failed to align carousel
I can do the scope tests tomorrow, how do I check the carousel.0.pocket number ? against what ? or to verify it with ? I can scope it and screen shot it tomorrow.
on a good note, the rest of the functions appear to be correct. I can grab the files off the Lathe and post them tomorrow afternoon
the error message is from my NGC file afaict, I just get a warning in axis,
failed to align carousel
I can do the scope tests tomorrow, how do I check the carousel.0.pocket number ? against what ? or to verify it with ? I can scope it and screen shot it tomorrow.
on a good note, the rest of the functions appear to be correct. I can grab the files off the Lathe and post them tomorrow afternoon
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08 Dec 2022 16:48 - 08 Dec 2022 16:48 #258899
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OK, this is from your NGC routine and is if the wait-on-input for carousel-ready fails.
This could be because the carousel never believes itself to be at the correct position. Which could be either because it is reading the position incorrectly, or because the M6 (or T) command is picking a pocket > 6 or < 1.
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the error message is from my NGC file afaict, I just get a warning in axis,
failed to align carousel
OK, this is from your NGC routine and is if the wait-on-input for carousel-ready fails.
This could be because the carousel never believes itself to be at the correct position. Which could be either because it is reading the position incorrectly, or because the M6 (or T) command is picking a pocket > 6 or < 1.
Against the selected pocket number. Which should be the pocket number from the tool table of the tool you have chosen when starting the tool change.I can do the scope tests tomorrow, how do I check the carousel.0.pocket number ? against what ?
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08 Dec 2022 22:33 - 08 Dec 2022 23:01 #258919
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screen shots from scope, I am not sure about the behavior of Tloop, it just goes up 1 div and then drops right down, as if it is basically just sending a triggering signal. the car-pos-32 seems to be working at it is reporting position properly. So this looks like a issue with Tloop. I attached my hal files.
this is currently in my main cinturn12u.hal I assume this is the problem
net T-loop iocontrol.0.tool-prepare => iocontrol.0.tool-prepared
whereas this is commented out in my toolchangerBCD.hal
#net tool-prep-loop iocontrol.0.tool-prepare iocontrol.0.tool-prepared
So is it safe to assume that this needs to be edited to and placed in either my main cintrun12u.hal or my toolchangerbcd.hal. I'd prefer to use the later if it makes no difference, because then ALL of my toolchange config exists outside of my primary hal file. Also, my brain is very smooth today, I hate german car engineers sometimes, I wish they would buy their electrical systems from GM and or Delphi
this is currently in my main cinturn12u.hal I assume this is the problem
net T-loop iocontrol.0.tool-prepare => iocontrol.0.tool-prepared
whereas this is commented out in my toolchangerBCD.hal
#net tool-prep-loop iocontrol.0.tool-prepare iocontrol.0.tool-prepared
So is it safe to assume that this needs to be edited to and placed in either my main cintrun12u.hal or my toolchangerbcd.hal. I'd prefer to use the later if it makes no difference, because then ALL of my toolchange config exists outside of my primary hal file. Also, my brain is very smooth today, I hate german car engineers sometimes, I wish they would buy their electrical systems from GM and or Delphi
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08 Dec 2022 22:41 #258921
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08 Dec 2022 23:08 #258927
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MGM attached his carousel file and I find myself confused about the behavior of the t loop now
this is in his file. it appears he might have a turret of some sort like mine
net T-loop iocontrol.0.tool-prepare => iocontrol.0.tool-prepared
#net tool-change-finished carousel.0.ready => iocontrol.0.tool-changed
#net tool-change-loop iocontrol.0.tool-change iocontrol.0.tool-changed
#net start-tool-change iocontrol.0.tool-change => carousel.0.enable
this is in his file. it appears he might have a turret of some sort like mine
net T-loop iocontrol.0.tool-prepare => iocontrol.0.tool-prepared
#net tool-change-finished carousel.0.ready => iocontrol.0.tool-changed
#net tool-change-loop iocontrol.0.tool-change iocontrol.0.tool-changed
#net start-tool-change iocontrol.0.tool-change => carousel.0.enable
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09 Dec 2022 00:02 #258940
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This ought to work, but is a bit inconsistent in format:
Could be
net carousel.0.in carousel.0.strobe
net car-locked motion.digital-in-01
net car-lock motion.digital-out-01
#Digital inputs
net bit0 carousel.0.sense-0 <= hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-04
net bit1 carousel.0.sense-1 <= hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-05
net bit2 carousel.0.sense-2 <= hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-06
net carousel.0.in <= hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-03Could be
net car-locked motion.digital-in-01
net car-lock motion.digital-out-01
#Digital inputs
net bit0 carousel.0.sense-0 <= hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-04
net bit1 carousel.0.sense-1 <= hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-05
net bit2 carousel.0.sense-2 <= hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-06
net strobe carousel.0.strobe <= hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-03Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
09 Dec 2022 00:12 #258942
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I don't think that T-loop is a major problem.
Personally I would leave the changer in the middle of that loop, so that "change" starts the process and "changed" is signalled at the end, but doing it your way does mean that the system can do other things while waiting for the carousel. (of course you might not want to do that...)
But, you you don't seem to have logged the channels I asked for.
carousel.0.strobe
carousel.0.current-position
carousel.0.ready
carousel.0.motor-fwd
carousel.0.pocket-number
Personally I would leave the changer in the middle of that loop, so that "change" starts the process and "changed" is signalled at the end, but doing it your way does mean that the system can do other things while waiting for the carousel. (of course you might not want to do that...)
But, you you don't seem to have logged the channels I asked for.
carousel.0.strobe
carousel.0.current-position
carousel.0.ready
carousel.0.motor-fwd
carousel.0.pocket-number
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