Emcoturn 120 lathe retrofit
04 Dec 2016 01:42 #83650
by LutzTD
that makes sense, I will put it on todo list.
Replied by LutzTD on topic Emcoturn 120 lathe retrofit
I notice you have wires on the timing, o.heat/com terminals? where do those connect?
I recall those are a signal from the Vexta if it overheats...? I wired those to an input in order to do something if I see that signal.
It's taken care of in this section (though not tested):
# --- Over Temperature Inputs ---
# --- ** added without testing amp-fault (should cause no X,Z motion if Vexta overheat)
#spindle-overtemp hm2_5i25.0.7i84.0.0.input-17 **see above
net z-axis-overtemp hm2_5i25.0.7i84.0.0.input-19 axis.2.amp-fault-in
net x-axis-overtemp hm2_5i25.0.7i84.0.0.input-20 axis.0.amp-fault-in
# --- End of Over Temperature section----
that makes sense, I will put it on todo list.
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04 Dec 2016 01:53 #83651
by tome
Thanks Peter, must have slipped up somewhere...1/4 vs 4...hmmm
Seems to work just fine though with Matt Shaver's charge pump board so if it ain't broke....
-Tom
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Looks like that is for setting up stepgen2 to generate a square wave output to run a charge pump circuit
( Though the frequency will not be 10 KHz but rather 162.5 Hz,
hm2_5i25.0.stepgen.02.velocity-cmd should be set to 4 to get 10 KHz )
Thanks Peter, must have slipped up somewhere...1/4 vs 4...hmmm
Seems to work just fine though with Matt Shaver's charge pump board so if it ain't broke....-Tom
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04 Dec 2016 02:03 #83653
by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic Emcoturn 120 lathe retrofit
I take it back, it (.25 ) was correct
I had forgotten that the quadrature output is 4X as fast as the step/dir rate
which is a bit embarrassing since I wrote the firmware.
I had forgotten that the quadrature output is 4X as fast as the step/dir rate
which is a bit embarrassing since I wrote the firmware.
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04 Dec 2016 02:06 #83654
by tome
I didn't use a PID on mine, as you see in the config, but I can't argue intelligently for or against it in this application. I haven't had any problems that I know of related to servo-thread jitter but that could be dumb luck with my pc hardware/Mesa setup.
You don't need most of the functions (addf, loadrt) that I have in that file to drive the X,Z axes. Most of those are used for other logic related to specific hardware on my lathe, like the pneumatic collet and tailstock, etc.
-Tom
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ok thanx, I may just go ahead and drop the pid for the x and z. the spindle is working OK so Im going to leave that. It seems like my issue is in the software driving the axis controllers and motors, so Im going to try to sub in your stuff for the axis control. I figured it was the control, Its in a feedback loop because it jitters even after I try to move it like its hunting.
I didn't use a PID on mine, as you see in the config, but I can't argue intelligently for or against it in this application. I haven't had any problems that I know of related to servo-thread jitter but that could be dumb luck with my pc hardware/Mesa setup.
You don't need most of the functions (addf, loadrt) that I have in that file to drive the X,Z axes. Most of those are used for other logic related to specific hardware on my lathe, like the pneumatic collet and tailstock, etc.
-Tom
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04 Dec 2016 15:05 - 04 Dec 2016 15:09 #83668
by LutzTD
Replied by LutzTD on topic Emcoturn 120 lathe retrofit
ok changed the HAL file from this
to this
and the INI file from this
to this
works awesome. havent measured the movement yet, but the move seems smooth and it has great hold power. worked for both axis thanx so much Tome for the files. I will try to get the home switches working today too.
#*******************
# AXIS X
#*******************
setp pid.x.Pgain [AXIS_0]P
setp pid.x.Igain [AXIS_0]I
setp pid.x.Dgain [AXIS_0]D
setp pid.x.bias [AXIS_0]BIAS
setp pid.x.FF0 [AXIS_0]FF0
setp pid.x.FF1 [AXIS_0]FF1
setp pid.x.FF2 [AXIS_0]FF2
setp pid.x.deadband [AXIS_0]DEADBAND
setp pid.x.maxoutput [AXIS_0]MAX_OUTPUT
setp pid.x.error-previous-target true
setp pid.x.maxerror .0005
net x-index-enable <=> pid.x.index-enable
net x-enable => pid.x.enable
net x-pos-cmd => pid.x.command
net x-vel-cmd => pid.x.command-deriv
net x-pos-fb => pid.x.feedback
net x-output => pid.x.output
# Step Gen signals/setup
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.dirsetup [AXIS_0]DIRSETUP
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.dirhold [AXIS_0]DIRHOLD
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.steplen [AXIS_0]STEPLEN
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.stepspace [AXIS_0]STEPSPACE
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.position-scale [AXIS_0]STEP_SCALE
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.step_type 0
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.control-type 1
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.maxaccel [AXIS_0]STEPGEN_MAXACCEL
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.maxvel [AXIS_0]STEPGEN_MAXVEL
# ---closedloop stepper signals---
net x-pos-cmd <= axis.0.motor-pos-cmd
net x-vel-cmd <= axis.0.joint-vel-cmd
net x-output <= hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.velocity-cmd
net x-pos-fb <= hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.position-fb
net x-pos-fb => axis.0.motor-pos-fb
net x-enable <= axis.0.amp-enable-out
net x-enable => hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.enable
# ---setup home / limit switch signals---
net home-x => axis.0.home-sw-in
net x-neg-limit => axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in
net x-pos-limit => axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in
to this
#*******************
# AXIS X
#*******************
#setp pid.x.Pgain [AXIS_0]P
#setp pid.x.Igain [AXIS_0]I
#setp pid.x.Dgain [AXIS_0]D
#setp pid.x.bias [AXIS_0]BIAS
#setp pid.x.FF0 [AXIS_0]FF0
#setp pid.x.FF1 [AXIS_0]FF1
#setp pid.x.FF2 [AXIS_0]FF2
#setp pid.x.deadband [AXIS_0]DEADBAND
#setp pid.x.maxoutput [AXIS_0]MAX_OUTPUT
#setp pid.x.error-previous-target true
#setp pid.x.maxerror .0005
#net x-index-enable <=> pid.x.index-enable
#net x-enable => pid.x.enable
#net x-pos-cmd => pid.x.command
#net x-vel-cmd => pid.x.command-deriv
#net x-pos-fb => pid.x.feedback
#net x-output => pid.x.output
# Step Gen signals/setup
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.dirsetup [AXIS_0]DIRSETUP
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.dirhold [AXIS_0]DIRHOLD
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.steplen [AXIS_0]STEPLEN
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.stepspace [AXIS_0]STEPSPACE
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.position-scale [AXIS_0]STEP_SCALE
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.step_type 0
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.control-type 1
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.maxaccel [AXIS_0]STEPGEN_MAXACCEL
setp hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.maxvel [AXIS_0]STEPGEN_MAXVEL
# ---closedloop stepper signals---
net x-pos-cmd <= axis.0.motor-pos-cmd
net x-pos-cmd => hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.position-cmd
net x-vel-cmd <= axis.0.joint-vel-cmd
net x-vel-cmd => hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.velocity-cmd
#net x-output <= hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.velocity-cmd
net x-pos-fb <= hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.position-fb
net x-pos-fb => axis.0.motor-pos-fb
net x-enable <= axis.0.amp-enable-out
net x-enable => hm2_7i76e.0.stepgen.00.enable
# ---setup home / limit switch signals---
#net home-x => axis.0.home-sw-in
#net x-neg-limit => axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in
#net x-pos-limit => axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in
and the INI file from this
#********************
# Axis X
#********************
[AXIS_0]
TYPE = LINEAR
HOME = -0.1
FERROR = 0.5
MIN_FERROR = 0.05
MAX_VELOCITY = 1.0
MAX_ACCELERATION = 30.0
# The values below should be 25% larger than MAX_VELOCITY and MAX_ACCELERATION
# If using BACKLASH compensation STEPGEN_MAXACCEL should be 100% larger.
STEPGEN_MAXVEL = 1.25
STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 37.50
P = 1000.0
I = 0.0
D = 0.0
FF0 = 0.0
FF1 = 1.0
FF2 = 0.0
BIAS = 0.0
DEADBAND = 0.0
MAX_OUTPUT = 0.0
# these are in nanoseconds
DIRSETUP = 1000
DIRHOLD = 1000
STEPLEN = 1000
STEPSPACE = 1000
STEP_SCALE = 200.0
MIN_LIMIT = -8.0
MAX_LIMIT = -0.099
HOME_OFFSET = 0.000000
HOME_SEARCH_VEL = 0.050000
HOME_LATCH_VEL = 0.016667
HOME_FINAL_VEL = 0.000000
HOME_USE_INDEX = NO
HOME_SEQUENCE = 1to this
#********************
# Axis X
#********************
[AXIS_0]
TYPE = LINEAR
HOME = 0.0
HOME_SEQUENCE = 0
HOME_SEARCH_VEL = 0.25
HOME_LATCH_VEL = 0.125
HOME_FINAL_VEL = 1
HOME_USE_INDEX = NO
HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS = NO
HOME_OFFSET = 0
VOLATILE_HOME = 1
#FERROR = 0.5
FERROR = 1
#MIN_FERROR = 0.05
MIN_FERROR = 0.5
#MAX_VELOCITY = 1.5
#MAX_ACCELERATION = 30.0
MAX_VELOCITY = 2.5
MAX_ACCELERATION = 28.0
# The values below should be 25% larger than MAX_VELOCITY and MAX_ACCELERATION
# If using BACKLASH compensation STEPGEN_MAXACCEL should be 100% larger.
#STEPGEN_MAXVEL = 1.875
#STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 37.50
STEPGEN_MAXVEL = 3.125
STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 35
# these are in nanoseconds
DIRSETUP = 10000
DIRHOLD = 5000
STEPLEN = 5000
STEPSPACE = 5000
STEP_SCALE = 10159.9997
#MIN_LIMIT = -2.106
MIN_LIMIT = -2.15
MAX_LIMIT = 0.001works awesome. havent measured the movement yet, but the move seems smooth and it has great hold power. worked for both axis thanx so much Tome for the files. I will try to get the home switches working today too.
Last edit: 04 Dec 2016 15:09 by LutzTD.
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04 Dec 2016 16:36 #83670
by tome
Cool, glad to hear it! And just to close the loop (pun intended), can you verify the wiring sequence from your stepper terminals to the Vexta terminals? Just for future reference...
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works awesome. havent measured the movement yet, but the move seems smooth and it has great hold power. worked for both axis thanx so much Tome for the files. I will try to get the home switches working today too.
Cool, glad to hear it! And just to close the loop (pun intended), can you verify the wiring sequence from your stepper terminals to the Vexta terminals? Just for future reference...
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05 Dec 2016 00:39 - 05 Dec 2016 00:39 #83682
by LutzTD
Replied by LutzTD on topic Emcoturn 120 lathe retrofit
remove the cover and rewire the numbered harness to match the terminal numbers on the stepper, then the wire numbers to the right are used for the Vexta drive
Last edit: 05 Dec 2016 00:39 by LutzTD.
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05 Dec 2016 01:36 - 05 Dec 2016 14:48 #83683
by tome
Replied by tome on topic Emcoturn 120 lathe retrofit
Excellent. By the way, I was reading back through this whole thread and on page 3, post #74002, I posted some links to the Emco 120 literature I have accumulated as well as a link to a zip file of all my config files.
-Tom
PS: I should note that the config files at that link are newer than the ones I sent above.
Again, the link to all those files is: bgp.nu/~tom/pub/EMCOTurn120P/
-Tom
PS: I should note that the config files at that link are newer than the ones I sent above.
Again, the link to all those files is: bgp.nu/~tom/pub/EMCOTurn120P/
Last edit: 05 Dec 2016 14:48 by tome.
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08 Nov 2021 09:43 #225647
by Gijs53
Replied by Gijs53 on topic Emcoturn 120 lathe retrofit
Hi Tom, I would be very happy to take advantage of your offer to get support material. I have been retired for a year and now have plenty of time to convert my Emco. I've learned a lot already, but there's still a lot more to learn...
-Hans
-Hans
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