Build: XZero Predator... With more teeth!
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17 Jun 2019 20:17 #137156
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Oh, that looks interesting. I still have the AB Ultra 3000 drives which could run that assuming its a standard encoder. Do you have a link to the specs?
I assume that long shaft can be removed, or does it need to be cut off?
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The Harmoic Drive "FHA" units are a servo motor, harmonic drive and crossed-roller ring assembled as an integrated unit.
They make perfect 4th and 5th axes. And are not _that_ expensive on the eBay market. But that's not a good source for a commercial product.
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HARMONIC-DRIVE-SYSTEM...ctuator/263813872830
A working setup for the STMBL drive exists for them.
Oh, that looks interesting. I still have the AB Ultra 3000 drives which could run that assuming its a standard encoder. Do you have a link to the specs?
I assume that long shaft can be removed, or does it need to be cut off?
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17 Jun 2019 20:40 #137158
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Wow that servo / harmonic has a boatload of torque:
www.harmonicdrive.net/products/rotary-ac...haft-actuators/fha-c
Looks like (that one in the ad) has a 1500 line encoder, and a... err.. 3015: 1 ratio? that's clearly not right. but its non standard. (not 50/100/160).
www.harmonicdrive.net/products/rotary-ac...haft-actuators/fha-c
Looks like (that one in the ad) has a 1500 line encoder, and a... err.. 3015: 1 ratio? that's clearly not right. but its non standard. (not 50/100/160).
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17 Jun 2019 20:52 #137161
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The shaft is part of whatever it was previously doing. They have a ring of threaded holes as the interface.
For machine tool use as a 4th axis the through-bore is a plus.
www.harmonicdrive.net/products/rotary-actuators
FHA25B has a standard encoder. I think that the 25C might have something different.
Some details on my build log. bodgesoc.blogspot.com/2017/05/harmonic.html
(Where I basically say "look for a B, or of you get a C, try to get the drive too")
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Oh, that looks interesting. I still have the AB Ultra 3000 drives which could run that assuming its a standard encoder. Do you have a link to the specs?
I assume that long shaft can be removed, or does it need to be cut off?
The shaft is part of whatever it was previously doing. They have a ring of threaded holes as the interface.
For machine tool use as a 4th axis the through-bore is a plus.
www.harmonicdrive.net/products/rotary-actuators
FHA25B has a standard encoder. I think that the 25C might have something different.
Some details on my build log. bodgesoc.blogspot.com/2017/05/harmonic.html
(Where I basically say "look for a B, or of you get a C, try to get the drive too")
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17 Jun 2019 21:30 #137162
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Nice. That one is quite huge. Would work as a 4th for the predator. If you wanted a trunion, you'd need a big offset and then use the 17 model.
Then you would have a good 100mm for clearance.for fixture and part.
Then you would have a good 100mm for clearance.for fixture and part.
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18 Jun 2019 19:55 #137223
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18 Jun 2019 20:56 #137228
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All the Z parts, table beams, and upright reinforcements are now being machined. yay!
The Y saddle plate is the most expensive single part on the whole machine. Eek! It's complex, and also has to be precise and square. Its also machined for a 2" x 8"x 16" plate, so... I guess I cant complain.
I still will of course
The Y saddle plate is the most expensive single part on the whole machine. Eek! It's complex, and also has to be precise and square. Its also machined for a 2" x 8"x 16" plate, so... I guess I cant complain.
I still will of course
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19 Jun 2019 15:40 #137293
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19 Jun 2019 17:43 #137297
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Bah, cost the same as my big one.
I just made up an alternate Z to use my larger ISO30 spindle.
Benefits:
- I already own it so zero new dollars spent.
- It's here NOW. no waiting.
- It's got as much power as I want - 2.2kw on single phase, 4.6kw on 3 phase
- It has more low end, even when restricted sine it made full power at 12000rpm.
- Safely runs at 3000rpm.
- Electric fan, no water.
- It's iSO30, which makes buying tools easier
- It reaches the vac table fixture with short tools.
- Don't need to machine a $200 custom spindle mount.
- Can use a saw or right angle aggregate!
- Not "lightweight" - if I crash, the machine will break before it does.
Drawbacks:
- 14KG heavier than the Chinese 80mm spindle which will lower accelerations a little OR require a 750w X servo..
- If I *could* sell it fast, I would save $3000.
- ISO30 tools are both tall and large, limiting the tool tray size to 8 tools, and limited to about 5" guage. Larger tolls could be put in by hand though.
Hmm.
I just made up an alternate Z to use my larger ISO30 spindle.
Benefits:
- I already own it so zero new dollars spent.
- It's here NOW. no waiting.
- It's got as much power as I want - 2.2kw on single phase, 4.6kw on 3 phase
- It has more low end, even when restricted sine it made full power at 12000rpm.
- Safely runs at 3000rpm.
- Electric fan, no water.
- It's iSO30, which makes buying tools easier
- It reaches the vac table fixture with short tools.
- Don't need to machine a $200 custom spindle mount.
- Can use a saw or right angle aggregate!
- Not "lightweight" - if I crash, the machine will break before it does.
Drawbacks:
- 14KG heavier than the Chinese 80mm spindle which will lower accelerations a little OR require a 750w X servo..
- If I *could* sell it fast, I would save $3000.
- ISO30 tools are both tall and large, limiting the tool tray size to 8 tools, and limited to about 5" guage. Larger tolls could be put in by hand though.
Hmm.
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19 Jun 2019 18:05 #137303
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Hmm, with restriction, my big spindle can run 950w at 3000rpm, 2.2kw from 9000rpm to 24000rpm continuous. That should do very well in, well, everything
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20 Jun 2019 04:45 #137343
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