Y axis negative direction drift. Help!
11 Dec 2012 06:27 #27546
by andypugh
Actually, I think this almost guarantees that it is a hardware issue. I think you may be overloading the motors and losing steps. Which isn't what you wanted to hear, I suspect.
The problem ought to not appear at much slower feed rates (cutting forces lower, stepper torque higher). Fiddle with the feed over-ride?
Replied by andypugh on topic Y axis negative direction drift. Help!
I set it to do conventional and climb milling and noticed a startling difference. If the arc was machined clockwise, I got a POSITIVE drift, if I did it normally (CCW) I got a NEGATIVE drift! Very interesting.
I am posting the offending G code and associated DXF file and would be interested to see if YOU have the same problems with drift. Could this be a software issue?
Actually, I think this almost guarantees that it is a hardware issue. I think you may be overloading the motors and losing steps. Which isn't what you wanted to hear, I suspect.
The problem ought to not appear at much slower feed rates (cutting forces lower, stepper torque higher). Fiddle with the feed over-ride?
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11 Dec 2012 06:57 #27548
by cncbasher
Replied by cncbasher on topic Y axis negative direction drift. Help!
I'd also go along with Andy's points as we have previously discussed , being a mechanical issue and or overloading the cutter with feed rate too high
give use some details on the machine you have
what spindle are you using? , what type of machine is it etc , cutter used ? , lets see if we can narrow the mechanics down ,
is the spindle bearings ok etc or is the spindle moving in it's axial bearings etc .
give use some details on the machine you have
what spindle are you using? , what type of machine is it etc , cutter used ? , lets see if we can narrow the mechanics down ,
is the spindle bearings ok etc or is the spindle moving in it's axial bearings etc .
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11 Dec 2012 08:14 #27550
by cpy911
Replied by cpy911 on topic Y axis negative direction drift. Help!
I am simply cutting air at 30ipm. The machine is a Zenbot 24x24 and the router is a Hitachi. The machine uses belts.
Like I said, I can run other programs successfully.
With this one, when it finishes, it has drifted about a tool width
Like I said, I can run other programs successfully.
With this one, when it finishes, it has drifted about a tool width
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11 Dec 2012 15:34 - 11 Dec 2012 15:47 #27557
by Rick G
Replied by Rick G on topic Y axis negative direction drift. Help!
Have you tried running the program cutting air at say 10ipm?
According to the posted program it is calling for a cut speed of F60 and a plunge speed of F10.
If you run it twice is it then 2 tool width off?
Do any of your programs use tool compensation?
It is canceled with G40 .
You may also want to look here at G64
linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G61-G61.1-G64
Your code calls for G64
Rick G
According to the posted program it is calling for a cut speed of F60 and a plunge speed of F10.
If you run it twice is it then 2 tool width off?
Do any of your programs use tool compensation?
It is canceled with G40 .
You may also want to look here at G64
linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G61-G61.1-G64
Your code calls for G64
You might try setting the tolerance with G64 Pnnn, I usually set mine at G64 P.001G64 - without P means to keep the best speed possible, no matter how far away from the programmed point you end up.
Rick G
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11 Dec 2012 18:27 - 11 Dec 2012 19:32 #27569
by cncbasher
Replied by cncbasher on topic Y axis negative direction drift. Help!
try this dxf attached and see if it cuts any better lowering the feed rate .
what you are describing in that it follows the correct path in air but not when cutting material , is either down to mechanical movement , steppers not able to hold position or to high a feed rate for the milling cutter to handle and shift the swarf correctly
and the cutter becomes blocked etc .
i'd try slowing down the feed rate to F30 on arc's and or increase spindle speed if you can ..
Arc's will show up the worse case on a machine mechanics , rather than straight linear cuts , due to side loading of the cutters amongst others , what type of milling cutter or engraving cutter are you using ?
also what is the material you are milling ?
in your attached dxf :
in that arc you have a lot of small moves which does not help matters , and depending on how cambam interprets arc's etc , you could get different results
what you are describing in that it follows the correct path in air but not when cutting material , is either down to mechanical movement , steppers not able to hold position or to high a feed rate for the milling cutter to handle and shift the swarf correctly
and the cutter becomes blocked etc .
i'd try slowing down the feed rate to F30 on arc's and or increase spindle speed if you can ..
Arc's will show up the worse case on a machine mechanics , rather than straight linear cuts , due to side loading of the cutters amongst others , what type of milling cutter or engraving cutter are you using ?
also what is the material you are milling ?
in your attached dxf :
in that arc you have a lot of small moves which does not help matters , and depending on how cambam interprets arc's etc , you could get different results
Last edit: 11 Dec 2012 19:32 by cncbasher.
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11 Dec 2012 20:45 #27576
by Rick G
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If I read it right I thought he stated the problem occurs with air cuts.
At any rate as you stated he really needs to try running at a slower speed to see if the problem goes away.
Acceleration could also still be a problem.
Rick G
At any rate as you stated he really needs to try running at a slower speed to see if the problem goes away.
Acceleration could also still be a problem.
Rick G
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11 Dec 2012 20:50 #27577
by cncbasher
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yes Rick , I agree .
just trying to cover most aspects mentioned
just trying to cover most aspects mentioned
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11 Dec 2012 23:27 #27587
by Rick G
Replied by Rick G on topic Y axis negative direction drift. Help!
cncbasher,
Good point, and looking back this thread has some good information for any one who may follows it later.
Rick G
Good point, and looking back this thread has some good information for any one who may follows it later.
Rick G
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13 Dec 2012 02:53 #27643
by cpy911
Replied by cpy911 on topic Y axis negative direction drift. Help!
I am about to give up.
I programmed the attached DXF file to cut at 30IPM with G64 P.001
I simply cut air.
When the cutter returned to home position, it was off about three cutter widths.
I can run simpler shapes with no problem. I guess my machine can not handle long arcs.
Now I need to revisit a sign I was doing and figure out what the problem was there, I had drifting issues, but didnt start the debug process.
Like I said, I can run some old programs that have much smaller arcs with no problems.
Thanks.
I programmed the attached DXF file to cut at 30IPM with G64 P.001
I simply cut air.
When the cutter returned to home position, it was off about three cutter widths.
I can run simpler shapes with no problem. I guess my machine can not handle long arcs.
Now I need to revisit a sign I was doing and figure out what the problem was there, I had drifting issues, but didnt start the debug process.
Like I said, I can run some old programs that have much smaller arcs with no problems.
Thanks.
try this dxf attached and see if it cuts any better lowering the feed rate .
what you are describing in that it follows the correct path in air but not when cutting material , is either down to mechanical movement , steppers not able to hold position or to high a feed rate for the milling cutter to handle and shift the swarf correctly
and the cutter becomes blocked etc .
i'd try slowing down the feed rate to F30 on arc's and or increase spindle speed if you can ..
Arc's will show up the worse case on a machine mechanics , rather than straight linear cuts , due to side loading of the cutters amongst others , what type of milling cutter or engraving cutter are you using ?
also what is the material you are milling ?
in your attached dxf :
in that arc you have a lot of small moves which does not help matters , and depending on how cambam interprets arc's etc , you could get different results
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13 Dec 2012 03:56 #27649
by cncbasher
Replied by cncbasher on topic Y axis negative direction drift. Help!
their should be no difference in cutting any size circles arc's or whatever , or works ok at one size but not at another etc ...
simply put if the cutter is moving off target path there is a reason for it , either feed rates too high or pushing the cutter through the material rather than allow the cutter to do it's work first .
or stepper is missing steps for whatever reason ...
as you are cutting in air and not material , that only leaves , mechanical issues , belts and stepper setup.
remember on arc's you have all axis moving at once and therefore drawing current from the psu at a greater rate , than if you were moving one axis at a time , so check your current settings on the stepper driver they may well be too low
or the psu cannot supply the amperage needed for all the motors at once , for example .
simply put if the cutter is moving off target path there is a reason for it , either feed rates too high or pushing the cutter through the material rather than allow the cutter to do it's work first .
or stepper is missing steps for whatever reason ...
as you are cutting in air and not material , that only leaves , mechanical issues , belts and stepper setup.
remember on arc's you have all axis moving at once and therefore drawing current from the psu at a greater rate , than if you were moving one axis at a time , so check your current settings on the stepper driver they may well be too low
or the psu cannot supply the amperage needed for all the motors at once , for example .
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