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14 Mar 2019 11:27 - 14 Mar 2019 11:27 #128573
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Replied by Python on topic Circular path (or any path that require two axis movement at one time)
Tried both yesterday, the results are the same. Spindle works fine, in all range of RPM, no extra noise or vibrations during milling and free spin. (It worked for as much as 100h...)
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14 Mar 2019 11:35 #128574
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i personly woudt guess you to do a 1mm more offset to 3mm Rest Depth and speed over
with a full Depth and the Final maybe also on CRC use
THE Final in Conventiona move
this wil bring the contour to a stright nice finish shine
with a full Depth and the Final maybe also on CRC use
THE Final in Conventiona move
this wil bring the contour to a stright nice finish shine
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14 Mar 2019 14:41 #128586
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Rack and pinions can be tricky to set up right. I have battled with similar problems on some $70k factory built machines. On those machines the problem is usually worn bearings on the pinion shafts, and/or worn bearings on the intermediate shaft of the belt reduction between the servo motor and the pinion. (I am replacing these parts on these 2 machines every 2-3 years)
But any misalignment of the pinion to the rack can lead to not smooth motion. Worn pinion gears can also give these results, but that shouldn't be a problem on a new build.
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Yes, Todd, both axis are rack and pinion. I'll check meshing as soon as possible.
PCW, in my opinion and observation there is no wobble in gearing. The belt isn't tightened to much. IMHO.
But I'll check it one more time, to be sure.
Rack and pinions can be tricky to set up right. I have battled with similar problems on some $70k factory built machines. On those machines the problem is usually worn bearings on the pinion shafts, and/or worn bearings on the intermediate shaft of the belt reduction between the servo motor and the pinion. (I am replacing these parts on these 2 machines every 2-3 years)
But any misalignment of the pinion to the rack can lead to not smooth motion. Worn pinion gears can also give these results, but that shouldn't be a problem on a new build.
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14 Mar 2019 16:12 #128591
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Watch the springs while the machine is cutting, they are likely moving while cutting. Getting the right ammount of pressure on those things is very hard as that depends on a lot of mechanical stuff, like how far is the axis that the reduction is mounted on, what angle it is set at etc.
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14 Mar 2019 16:17 #128592
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as it apears so regular it is more noice to the tool
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14 Mar 2019 19:58 #128604
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I wonder if the distance is related to the pitch of your screw. And if the distance in both axis is equal.
I understand that you have the big whell directly connected to the screw. If distance is smaller as pith, have a look to the small wheel. If bigger than pitch look if it is the factor of big wheel tooth to length/teeth of belt. If it's equal pitch look big wheel. None of them : take a beer or two ;-(
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I understand that you have the big whell directly connected to the screw. If distance is smaller as pith, have a look to the small wheel. If bigger than pitch look if it is the factor of big wheel tooth to length/teeth of belt. If it's equal pitch look big wheel. None of them : take a beer or two ;-(
Mike
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16 Mar 2019 06:44 #128704
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Also if you have helical cut misalignment shaft joiner, the motor torque can easily exceed the design limits of the joiner and result in backlash within the coupling. I moved to a fairly expensive oldham style coupling to eliminate that
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17 Mar 2019 18:36 - 17 Mar 2019 18:39 #128841
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Speed variation in a cut on only one axis will not show up in the work, it is only when you have two axes moving that you see the problem.
So, this is because one or more axes are not moving at a steady speed.
This could be mechanical, it could also be in the motor controllers if these are closed-loop steppers or step-servos.
I did at first think that it could be the PID tuning in LinuxCNC (there is a PID even with steppers) but the Mach3 swap eliminated that possibility.
So, what motors and drivers are you using?
I see now that you said it was steppers and simple step/dir drivers.
I think that analysing the pitch of the waves (orthogonal to each axis) is likely to be a very instructive step. Does it match one turn of a shaft, or one turn of a gear.
So, this is because one or more axes are not moving at a steady speed.
This could be mechanical, it could also be in the motor controllers if these are closed-loop steppers or step-servos.
I did at first think that it could be the PID tuning in LinuxCNC (there is a PID even with steppers) but the Mach3 swap eliminated that possibility.
I see now that you said it was steppers and simple step/dir drivers.
I think that analysing the pitch of the waves (orthogonal to each axis) is likely to be a very instructive step. Does it match one turn of a shaft, or one turn of a gear.
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18 Mar 2019 00:10 #128866
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After some analysing it looks like you have something sloppy there as the distance of the anomaly is not exactly the same always.
Check well everything, there is no easier way to say it.
BTW, did you edit anything in the INI and HAL files ?
Check well everything, there is no easier way to say it.
BTW, did you edit anything in the INI and HAL files ?
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19 Mar 2019 14:05 #128971
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The wiggle pitch will vary depending on the direction of motion. (but, if mechanical) should be constant if projected to an axis.
This picture shows the result of a constant wiggle on X combined with a constant Y at various angles.
You will see nothing in a straight Y move (as X doesn't move) and nothing in a straight X move (As the wiggle is along the cut line)
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After some analysing it looks like you have something sloppy there as the distance of the anomaly is not exactly the same always.
The wiggle pitch will vary depending on the direction of motion. (but, if mechanical) should be constant if projected to an axis.
This picture shows the result of a constant wiggle on X combined with a constant Y at various angles.
You will see nothing in a straight Y move (as X doesn't move) and nothing in a straight X move (As the wiggle is along the cut line)
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