Why real time kernel is needed with board like MESA?
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09 Oct 2020 09:04 - 09 Oct 2020 09:04 #185448
by thefabricator03
I dont understand you. Maybe its a language barrier but why do you keep pointing out that the way LinuxCNC does things is wrong? Are you trolling?, trying to stir up the people on this forum?
If you dont want to use LinuxCNC, I am sure MachineKit or Mach3/4 or UCCNC or a MASSO controller will do what you want. Otherwise design your own proprietary hardware and software like every other business and try to sell it.
Replied by thefabricator03 on topic Why real time kernel is needed with board like MESA?
The answer is simple - because LinuxCNC is not evolving to use the available hardware. Meats are also not interested in such development, they just make money!
Otherwise, FPGA can do perfectly the critical part of the job - real time and work with inputs and outputs. You just have to tell her exactly what you want!
What's worse is that people who are really involved in the development of the Linux CNC don't really understand what it should look like in order to be liked by people, not just themselves.
I dont understand you. Maybe its a language barrier but why do you keep pointing out that the way LinuxCNC does things is wrong? Are you trolling?, trying to stir up the people on this forum?
If you dont want to use LinuxCNC, I am sure MachineKit or Mach3/4 or UCCNC or a MASSO controller will do what you want. Otherwise design your own proprietary hardware and software like every other business and try to sell it.
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09 Oct 2020 09:27 #185449
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Replied by BeagleBrainz on topic Why real time kernel is needed with board like MESA?
They all know how to "do it better", but when push comes to shove, meh.
stivemaster13 lets see a viable prototype of what you propose. Then it can be proved one way or the other which is better.
I honestly think if Mesa were just interested in "making money" we wouldn't get the support we do through the forum. Go thru the forum and see how many times people have asked for a bit file to have this or have that and it's been provided.
stivemaster13 lets see a viable prototype of what you propose. Then it can be proved one way or the other which is better.
I honestly think if Mesa were just interested in "making money" we wouldn't get the support we do through the forum. Go thru the forum and see how many times people have asked for a bit file to have this or have that and it's been provided.
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09 Oct 2020 09:41 #185450
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Replied by thefabricator03 on topic Why real time kernel is needed with board like MESA?
I have even seen PCW offer to supply a schematic of a Mesa product to help someone repair their own damaged board.
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09 Oct 2020 09:47 #185451
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Really ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????What's worse is that people who are really involved in the development of the Linux CNC don't really understand what it should look like in order to be liked by people, not just themselves.
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09 Oct 2020 09:48 #185452
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Replied by tommylight on topic Why real time kernel is needed with board like MESA?
And helped one develop and program his own board.I have even seen PCW offer to supply a schematic of a Mesa product to help someone repair their own damaged board.
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09 Oct 2020 12:28 #185456
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Replied by dvn4life1972 on topic Why real time kernel is needed with board like MESA?
The information in this thread has really helped me understand, generally, things about how Linuxcnc works that I didn't grasp before.
Excellent thread, right up until Mr. Buzzkill entered the scene.
Excellent thread, right up until Mr. Buzzkill entered the scene.
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09 Oct 2020 13:19 - 09 Oct 2020 13:23 #185459
by stivemaster13
Replied by stivemaster13 on topic Why real time kernel is needed with board like MESA?
Oh God, how much sorrow there is in this world!
Only they hadn't called me a rebel!
In this forum, ideas and constructive criticism are clearly rewarded - with contempt.
Obviously, the collective opinion is - what you do not like in what we have achieved, we will not move a mm forward.
No problem, no one can make anyone think and want to develop.
I just want to say that unlike most members of this forum I am 50 years old!
So the time is yours, not so much mine - unfortunately.
I'm sorry if anyone felt ready to rebel, if they thought about what I wrote.
Here are some links to look at the world outside of the LinuxCNC forum.
I will start with the Chinese, who have taken this topic very seriously and their scientific circles are working on it, not volunteers:
www.researchgate.net/publication/2518572..._look-ahead_function
pdf.sciencedirectassets.com/278653/1-s2....0e4gxrqb&type=client
And I will continue with people who have fun with this activity:
sites.google.com/site/tgptechnologies/fp...c-steppers-interface
hackaday.com/2015/09/21/fpga-cnc/
github.com/mhouse1/mechsoftronic
www.cnczone.com/forums/general-cnc-machi...onics/26465-cnc.html
Finally, I want to clarify - that Mesa are responsive and provide information about their products is a good commercial practice, nothing more.
In fact, the interesting thing is - do Mesa not know what the possibilities of FPGA are, since they themselves produce this?
Then why are FPGAs used as DSPs instead of insisting to the LinuxCNC community that these devices can play a far greater role than what is given to them today, from today's level of the LinuxCNC?
P.P. Regarding buffering - absolutely every CNC uses buffering (without LinuxCNC) the only differences are in how exactly it sets the tasks after that, whether it uses DSP or FPGA and how exactly it does it!
Only they hadn't called me a rebel!
In this forum, ideas and constructive criticism are clearly rewarded - with contempt.
Obviously, the collective opinion is - what you do not like in what we have achieved, we will not move a mm forward.
No problem, no one can make anyone think and want to develop.
I just want to say that unlike most members of this forum I am 50 years old!
So the time is yours, not so much mine - unfortunately.
I'm sorry if anyone felt ready to rebel, if they thought about what I wrote.
Here are some links to look at the world outside of the LinuxCNC forum.
I will start with the Chinese, who have taken this topic very seriously and their scientific circles are working on it, not volunteers:
www.researchgate.net/publication/2518572..._look-ahead_function
pdf.sciencedirectassets.com/278653/1-s2....0e4gxrqb&type=client
And I will continue with people who have fun with this activity:
sites.google.com/site/tgptechnologies/fp...c-steppers-interface
hackaday.com/2015/09/21/fpga-cnc/
github.com/mhouse1/mechsoftronic
www.cnczone.com/forums/general-cnc-machi...onics/26465-cnc.html
Finally, I want to clarify - that Mesa are responsive and provide information about their products is a good commercial practice, nothing more.
In fact, the interesting thing is - do Mesa not know what the possibilities of FPGA are, since they themselves produce this?
Then why are FPGAs used as DSPs instead of insisting to the LinuxCNC community that these devices can play a far greater role than what is given to them today, from today's level of the LinuxCNC?
P.P. Regarding buffering - absolutely every CNC uses buffering (without LinuxCNC) the only differences are in how exactly it sets the tasks after that, whether it uses DSP or FPGA and how exactly it does it!
Last edit: 09 Oct 2020 13:23 by stivemaster13.
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09 Oct 2020 13:23 #185460
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"With regard to the internet, new age wisdom dictates that when faced with a troll, only one rule need apply: do not feed them. Trolls feed on attention and without it, they simply go away." -Abraham Lincoln 1863
Replied by snowgoer540 on topic Why real time kernel is needed with board like MESA?
Are you trolling?, trying to stir up the people on this forum?
"With regard to the internet, new age wisdom dictates that when faced with a troll, only one rule need apply: do not feed them. Trolls feed on attention and without it, they simply go away." -Abraham Lincoln 1863
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09 Oct 2020 13:55 #185462
by AgentWD40
Meaning no offense to anyone but I never got the impression this was a young man's forum... Maybe I'm wrong?
Replied by AgentWD40 on topic Why real time kernel is needed with board like MESA?
I just want to say that unlike most members of this forum I am 50 years old!
Meaning no offense to anyone but I never got the impression this was a young man's forum... Maybe I'm wrong?
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09 Oct 2020 14:16 #185466
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Replied by tommylight on topic Why real time kernel is needed with board like MESA?
So am i.I just want to say that unlike most members of this forum I am 50 years old!
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