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04 Dec 2020 10:11 - 04 Dec 2020 12:34 #191018 by Grotius
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Hi,

A little update.



After i did making the iso. Finally the stepcolors are detailed. This is nice !
To save pc memory it now only load's the stepfile surfaces.

To get a more realistic machine movement,
I just experimented with updating the screen preview based on the "Position Feedback Value's"
from the Hal stepgenerator. My motors are connected and the output is nice.

Video that show's updating the machine movements on feedback position.
video

This is a example halfile used by above video.
Warning: Spoiler!


I am thinking to integrate a stand alone motion planner now. This can be a hard job to do.

@Arciera,

This looks like what's also used by MoveIt! in the ROS framework. Not quite sure as it's been a while.
Yes.

Have you walked trough the source code already? Is it hard to understand for you? Or do you think something else?
Please let me know so i can improve it.

A video of the steppermotors running.
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04 Dec 2020 15:19 - 04 Dec 2020 15:23 #191035 by Aciera
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Have you walked trough the source code already? Is it hard to understand for you? Or do you think something else?

I haven't done much, as I'm trying to reverse engineer my robots teach in pendant to see if I could some how use that together with linuxCNC.

Thanks for the video.
Is that still going through LinuxCNC or are the motors handled by your code?
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14 Dec 2020 23:57 - 15 Dec 2020 00:08 #191999 by Grotius
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Hi Arciera,

The motors are handled by trough hal.

I haven't done much, as I'm trying to reverse engineer my robots teach in pendant to see if I could some how use that together with linuxCNC.
Interesting !

I had some problems to solve. The Qt program was not able to rotate the motors trough my wishes. It was doing a quite good
job. But i was not satisfied ! The solution is to bring the Ik and Fk outside of the QT app as stand alone c++ component.

In the meantime i made a linuxcnc kinematics component for Ik and Fk based on KDL kinematics.
The problem in this case is that realtime code is in C and the KDL library is in C++. So downgrading KDL to c is an option.
But that would be silly to do.

So i made a tiny C++ program that act's as a realtime component. The output is very promising. When performing IK and FK the
cyclus time is < 100 us. In the QT program the position command update time was 10 times a second. So a very big improvement.
So if the Stepgen was updated 10 times a second you will hear the motors change speed 10 times a second. If the update is for example 1000 times a second, you will hear a perfect motor speed increase and decrease sound.

You could use this code too. The code is written as basic as possible to be more readable for users.
Later on adding the xml config file input etc. is easy to do. For now the kdl chain setup is written in the code.

Users can choose to do "Perform_IK" or "Perform_FK"
You see the chrono timer is doing a cycle of 61 nanoseconds. This is really fast.
I will add a sort of synchronisation pin to stay in line with the servo-threat and avoid making waste calculations.



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17 Dec 2020 07:40 - 17 Dec 2020 07:42 #192232 by Grotius
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Hi,

I succeeded to implement a tiny test motion planner that run's trough 3 points. The result is a smooth motor acceleration, deacceleration.

This test motion planner has a lineair acceleration curve. So i am not satisfied with this type and have written a
S curve acceleration / deacceleration type.

The source for the S-curve is at my github channel

No i have to put everything together in new motion planner. This will be a c++ hal component motion planner.
So far so good, have a nice day !
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17 Dec 2020 09:48 #192236 by rodw
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There may be another way. If you have a look at /src/emc/tp/tp.c

there is this code starting at line 2276
/**
 * Compute updated position and velocity for a timestep based on a trapezoidal
 * motion profile.
 * @param tc trajectory segment being processed.
 *
 * Creates the trapezoidal velocity profile based on the segment's velocity and
 * acceleration limits. The formula has been tweaked slightly to allow a
 * non-zero velocity at the instant the target is reached.
 */
void tpCalculateTrapezoidalAccel(TP_STRUCT const * const tp, TC_STRUCT * const tc, TC_STRUCT const * const nexttc,
        double * const acc, double * const vel_desired)

Ref: github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/src/emc/tp/tp.c

So it might be possible to intercept this and apply a positive or negative offset to position and velocity for each time step (servo thread cycle) There are some hard bits for spindle synchronised motion but that is probably not necessary for a robot or a plasma cutter.

Good luck. Keep us updated!

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17 Dec 2020 14:20 - 17 Dec 2020 14:21 #192248 by Grotius
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Hi Rodw,

The code you have found for me it not usable for me at this moment. Thanks for the suggestion !
The idea of a velocity e.offset is quite nice. But i will try it to code with the S-curve. It will take some time.

The way i am planning to use the S-curve is to freely assign it to a motion at the left or right side or at no side. This is
all calculated with look ahead logic in mind.

I found nice music, helps with coding.

اهنگ عالییه ایران رفتم غذاهاتون خیلی خوش مزه بود . مردم ایران خیلی خوبه
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18 Dec 2020 00:51 #192289 by grijalvap
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I Think what rodw is traying to indicate is that you can replace the void tpCalculateTrapezoidalAccel funtion with the one you write in order to test and implement.
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18 Dec 2020 01:55 #192295 by rodw
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I Think what rodw is traying to indicate is that you can replace the void tpCalculateTrapezoidalAccel function with the one you write in order to test and implement.


Yes almost, I think at that point, the motion controller already knows the start and end points of the acceleration segment and that procedure is calculating ( planning) where it needs to be right now (eg on that servo thread cycle). So if you thought of your S curve as being an offset either above or below the trapezoidal path at any given time (eg below on the concave start and above at the convex end), you could let that procedure calculate its normal trapezoidal settings, then apply the S curve offset for position and acceleration at that point.

You would need to consider how to handle the violation of acceleration limits that will occur in the transition from concave to convex, but surely, that is a matter of tuning. I suspect you could calculate the maximum acceleration required to arrive the S curve end point on time and allow for that by reducing the trapezoidal acceleration settings the motion planner is using from the ini file settings

I have not looked in detail at tp.c but that is the code where it all happens!
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18 Dec 2020 17:19 #192353 by Aciera
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@Grotius

So, thanks to dm17ry, I finally have everything on the same machine. Switchkins, the Mitsubishi driver and your ISO with qt creator and your Skynet compiling.
Next step will be to make the model of my RV-6SDL robot and try to get the joint positions from linuxcnc into the skynet app.

I'm sure I'll be back with questions.
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18 Dec 2020 18:57 - 18 Dec 2020 19:16 #192364 by Grotius
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@Grijalvap,

I Think what rodw is traying to indicate is that you can replace the void tpCalculateTrapezoidalAccel funtion with the one you write in order to test and implement.

Ahh. I didn't mention that.
If you ask me. I am not a fan of some parts of the lcnc source code trough the complexity and or missing comments.
That's why i write custom code that will work with hal as rt engine.
Attached code works, but try to integrate such a code.. I think integrating the code is a more complex task then actual writing the
S-curve code.

@Rodw,

Yes almost, I think at that point, the motion controller already knows the start and end points of the acceleration segment and that procedure is calculating ( planning) where it needs to be right now (eg on that servo thread cycle). So if you thought of your S curve as being an offset either above or below the trapezoidal path at any given time (eg below on the concave start and above at the convex end), you could let that procedure calculate its normal trapezoidal settings, then apply the S curve offset for position and acceleration at that point.
I'am not sure if that will work, have to think about that.
If you can return the toolpoint, the acc and vel it will work.

I suspect you could calculate the maximum acceleration required to arrive the S curve
The max acceleration for the S-curve = 2* normal lineair acceleration. That max acceleration point is exact in the middle of the acc / dcc path, and is called "the inflection point".

@Arciera,

dm17ry
?? Hahaa.. What do you mean with this?

Next step will be to make the model of my RV-6SDL robot and try to get the joint positions from linuxcnc into the skynet app.
Making the stepmodel is oke. Try to get it working in the skynet app. Take a Skynet release that fit's your needs.
For actual controlling the robot, maybe wait a few day's until i have a release that is capable to control your robot.

Oke i have written the S-curve code in C comp style, and did a graph plot with Qt to show what is happening.

- Cyan is concave period
- Blue is convex period
- Gray is at speed period
- Green is acceleration
- startpoint x0 y0 z0, endpoint x600 y200 z0
- MaxVel = 20 mm/sec
- Acceleration = 1 mm/sec^2
- Output graph :



From S-curve document : doc


Ok. This looks oke to me.
Now i can try to expand the s-curve code to work with motioncommands.

QT source code with graph view : SourceCode
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