CiA 402 in 1.15.0
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10 Feb 2024 13:57 #292993
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CiA 402 in 1.15.0 was created by scottlaird
I went ahead and merged the first pass at CiA 402 support, including an "rtec" driver for RTelligent ECT/ECR stepper drivers and a "basic_cia402" driver for semi-generic device support. You can see documentation here:
At this point, I'm able to drive an ECT60 in either position or velocity mode using either type="ECT60" or type="basic_cia402". Using the ECT60 driver gives you more modParams and pins, covering things like open/closed mode, motor current, current torque, current RPM, and so forth. See the docs.
Right now, digital in and digital out ports aren't working correctly on my ECT60, and I'm not quite sure why. I think it's a hardware problem -- using 'ethercat upload' gives weird results, too -- and it wasn't worth delaying over.
This should support pp, pv, csv, and csp modes today. I haven't made any attempts at homing mode, interpolation mode, vl mode (for VFDs), or either of the torque modes. It's designed to work with the existing cia402 HAL component.
Coming up soon, I'm hoping to:
- linuxcnc-ethercat.github.io/linuxcnc-ethercat/cia402.html
- linuxcnc-ethercat.github.io/linuxcnc-ethercat/rtec.html
At this point, I'm able to drive an ECT60 in either position or velocity mode using either type="ECT60" or type="basic_cia402". Using the ECT60 driver gives you more modParams and pins, covering things like open/closed mode, motor current, current torque, current RPM, and so forth. See the docs.
Right now, digital in and digital out ports aren't working correctly on my ECT60, and I'm not quite sure why. I think it's a hardware problem -- using 'ethercat upload' gives weird results, too -- and it wasn't worth delaying over.
This should support pp, pv, csv, and csp modes today. I haven't made any attempts at homing mode, interpolation mode, vl mode (for VFDs), or either of the torque modes. It's designed to work with the existing cia402 HAL component.
Coming up soon, I'm hoping to:
- Move a number of the generic CiA 402 modparams (profile velocity, profile acceleration, etc) to be pins instead. They should have been pins in the first place.
- Figure out my digital in/out aren't working, then add generic digital in/out support into the CiA 402 library.
- Fix the mess that is "pdo_entry_count". It's surprisingly hard to know how many PDO entries you're going to need to register ahead of time, as almost everything in the CiA 402 spec is optional. At this point, I've added error reporting when a device requests N PDO entries, and usually just end up changing the count until the errors stop. It's probably time to make it dynamic and delete "pdo_entry_count" across all drivers.
- Add homing
- Add interpolation mode
- Add vl mode
- Finish multi-axis support. The framework supports up to 4 axes in theory, but there are a few details still missing, and I don't have any multi-axis hardware to test with. Both Leadshine and RTelligent make dual-channel stepper drives; I'm hoping to pick up one of the Leadshine models after lunar new year. Also, I should extend this to 8 axes, as per the actual spec.
- Look at migrating some of the semi-CiA 402 drivers in the tree to use the new CiA 402 framework.
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10 Feb 2024 14:11 #292994
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How come you have 42 posts and 45 "thank you" ?
Again, thank you.
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10 Feb 2024 19:28 #293027
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Great work Scott.
on the ECT60, The digital inputs are at 60FD per your documentation. Here is how I defined them
github.com/rodw-au/linuxcnc-cia402/blob/main/ethercat-conf.xml
But Rtelligent does not have any listing in their manual for outputs in the CIA402 workspace. Instead they are in the manufacturer's space at
204A
github.com/rodw-au/linuxcnc-cia402/blob/main/ethercat-conf.xml
I assumed that outputs were not part of the CIA402 standard.
I'm sure it won't be hard to get inputs and putputs into your driver. Hope this helps
on the ECT60, The digital inputs are at 60FD per your documentation. Here is how I defined them
github.com/rodw-au/linuxcnc-cia402/blob/main/ethercat-conf.xml
But Rtelligent does not have any listing in their manual for outputs in the CIA402 workspace. Instead they are in the manufacturer's space at
204A
github.com/rodw-au/linuxcnc-cia402/blob/main/ethercat-conf.xml
I assumed that outputs were not part of the CIA402 standard.
I'm sure it won't be hard to get inputs and putputs into your driver. Hope this helps
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10 Feb 2024 19:34 #293028
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Yeah, outputs are listed in the standard as being at 60fe, and `ethercat sdos` shows that the ECT60 has them there, but weirdly it doesn't appear in the manual. I'll figure out what's up soon enough.
I'm currently removing `pdo_entry_regs` from practically everywhere in the codebase and replacing it with a thin wrapper inside of `slave` that tracks the number of defined PDO entries per slave, and then code that merges all of the slaves' entries per master at the end. This will let `basic_cia402` do things like ask the CiA 402 device which modes it supports and then create the right pins at runtime, that's all but impossible today.
This ends up removing *so* much boilerplate code and ~3 different hacks for variable numbers of PDOs, only one of which was mine .
I'm currently removing `pdo_entry_regs` from practically everywhere in the codebase and replacing it with a thin wrapper inside of `slave` that tracks the number of defined PDO entries per slave, and then code that merges all of the slaves' entries per master at the end. This will let `basic_cia402` do things like ask the CiA 402 device which modes it supports and then create the right pins at runtime, that's all but impossible today.
This ends up removing *so* much boilerplate code and ~3 different hacks for variable numbers of PDOs, only one of which was mine .
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10 Feb 2024 22:30 #293041
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Thanks. I have those already, as <modParam name="output1Func" value="brake"/> and so forth. There are a lot of modparams here .
I had output1 working, but output2 wasn't, and none of the inputs worked, even with "ethercat upload" for reading the PDO values directly. I probably just mis-read the wiring colors or something. I'll get back to it in a day or two.
I just merged the dynamic PDO allocation change; that hit 97 files (!), but most of those were just automated changes. As of 1.16.0, there's no reason to bother counting PDO entries directly anymore. Just call lcec_pdo_init() and everything will be resized correctly under the hood. This had a lot of nice consequences in the code.
Everything compiles cleanly and all of my tests pass, but I can't test everything. The AX5xxx and FSoE devices had the most invasive changes, so they're probably the most likely to have problems.
I had output1 working, but output2 wasn't, and none of the inputs worked, even with "ethercat upload" for reading the PDO values directly. I probably just mis-read the wiring colors or something. I'll get back to it in a day or two.
I just merged the dynamic PDO allocation change; that hit 97 files (!), but most of those were just automated changes. As of 1.16.0, there's no reason to bother counting PDO entries directly anymore. Just call lcec_pdo_init() and everything will be resized correctly under the hood. This had a lot of nice consequences in the code.
Everything compiles cleanly and all of my tests pass, but I can't test everything. The AX5xxx and FSoE devices had the most invasive changes, so they're probably the most likely to have problems.
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16 Feb 2024 19:44 - 16 Feb 2024 19:45 #293539
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Minor update: I think there's actually a hardware issue here with my ECT60's I/O ports. At a minimum, I can't find the "COM+" wire, which I assume is supposed to have +24V. My multimeter measures 0V to ground on all 8 pins of the I/O connector. I should have a replacement in hand :before too long, as well as a few other CiA 402 devices for testing.
The ECR60x2 is cheap enough that it might be a reasonable option for anyone that wants multiple open-loop steppers. It (allegedly) does 2 channels of steppers for around $130 US. There are closed loop (ECT60x2) and higher-power (ECR86x2) models on some of their websites, but they don't seem to actually be shipping.
At this point, I have code that includes pins for nearly all of the optional CiA 402 objects supported in pp, pv, csv, csp, or hm modes. I still have tq, cst, and vl to go, plus some of the generic gear ratio/e-gear/etc modparams and some documentation. Oh, plus the PDO mapping code is really broken for multi-axis devices, *and* will probably overflow the number of mapped PDO entries allowed on at least some devices.
Once I make it through these, I can start looking at AC servos and The Dreaded Yaskawa Problem.
- RTelligent ECT60
- RTelligent ECR60x2 (2x open loop stepper drive)
- RTelligent DRV400E brushless motor, er, "DC stepper" drive
- Omron MX2 (VFD)
- Rovix ESD-A6 (6-axis 24V stepper drive)
- Leadshine 2CS3E-D507 (2x closed loop stepper drive)
The ECR60x2 is cheap enough that it might be a reasonable option for anyone that wants multiple open-loop steppers. It (allegedly) does 2 channels of steppers for around $130 US. There are closed loop (ECT60x2) and higher-power (ECR86x2) models on some of their websites, but they don't seem to actually be shipping.
At this point, I have code that includes pins for nearly all of the optional CiA 402 objects supported in pp, pv, csv, csp, or hm modes. I still have tq, cst, and vl to go, plus some of the generic gear ratio/e-gear/etc modparams and some documentation. Oh, plus the PDO mapping code is really broken for multi-axis devices, *and* will probably overflow the number of mapped PDO entries allowed on at least some devices.
Once I make it through these, I can start looking at AC servos and The Dreaded Yaskawa Problem.
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17 Feb 2024 04:42 #293576
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20 Feb 2024 17:05 #293851
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Just give a heads up with the Yaskawa stuff if you ever get to that point. I dont think you need to start spending big bucks on buying the stuff just to test.
Im sure we can work something out from the HW side.
Im sure we can work something out from the HW side.
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20 Feb 2024 19:44 #293856
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Thanks! I'll probably take you up on that at some point in late March or early April. I'm going to be travelling about half of March, so I don't want to plan anything new between now and then.
I should have a Leadshine 2-axis controller in my hands late this week, and I *think* I have all of the parts needed for the Rovix ESD-A6 now (plus 5 very cheap steppers), so I can probably make some progress on those soon.
The Omron MX2 EtherCAT controller is somewhere between Australia and the US now, and the replacement RTelligent driver is somewhere in China, so there's no shortage of pending hardware right now .
I should have a Leadshine 2-axis controller in my hands late this week, and I *think* I have all of the parts needed for the Rovix ESD-A6 now (plus 5 very cheap steppers), so I can probably make some progress on those soon.
The Omron MX2 EtherCAT controller is somewhere between Australia and the US now, and the replacement RTelligent driver is somewhere in China, so there's no shortage of pending hardware right now .
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