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  • eriksalo
  • eriksalo
12 Feb 2021 18:48
Replied by eriksalo on topic Bridgeport BOSS 8 retrofit - Build Log

Bridgeport BOSS 8 retrofit - Build Log

Category: General LinuxCNC Questions

Here's the "buy log" and rough sketch for the overall project. Please have a look and let me know if I've missed anything....

Buying Stuff - Here's what you need:

MESA electronics: "Plug-n-go" kit with a 7177-5i25 cards. I'd get a "low profile" PCIe card and probably a DIN mount option (Should be ~$288, 7I77D-5I25 PNG KIT w/ low profile PCIe option)

Suitable touch screen monitor

Computer: The computer will have to be dedicated to the task and run Linux. It doesn't need to have a lot of horsepower. Only restriction is you need one PCIe slot so an intel NUC will not work. If you want a small one, .I'd buy something like this:ASRock J4105M Intel Celeron Quad-Core Processor J4105 (up to 2.5 GHz) Micro ATX Motherboard / CPU Combo - Newegg.com , Would need memory, a power supply and a case in addition.

You would also be perfectly well served with buying almost ANY used PC on eBay or Craigslist..

Optional: Phase converter for spindle motor: (if you want one). For a 1HP motor, this unit should work. It's $63. 0.75KW 1HP 110V Variable Frequency Drive Inverter CNC VFD VSD Single To 3 Phase | eBay. Maybe better to get a 2HP or 3HP version for margin since the cost is basically the same 2HP AC220V/1.5KW Variable Frequency Drive VFD Inverter Single Phase To 3 Phase | eBay. I have ~5 of these units now and they all work fine.

Optional: Pendant. I've valued having a wireless pendant to move the machine around for finding zero. I couldn't find the exact one I have but it's similar to this one:
WHB04B-4 XHC 4 Axis Wireless Mach3 Remote MPG Pendent CNC pendant Handwheel【USA】 651312400745 | eBay $88.


Building Stuff:

Overall: The first step once you have the parts is to mount a PC and monitor somewhere and to mount the MESA card inside the wiring cabinet. Once you have a working PC and a MESA board, we can work to get it all the other stuff connected properly and then programmed.

Computer: Once you get the monitor and PC, you will need to mount them and wire them into the system. Decide where you want the monitor and mount it in. If you put the PC in the head behind the monitor, you will need to wire the parallel cable into your wiring cabinet. If the PC is in the cabinet, you will need the monitor / power / usb from the head to the cabinet.

Mesa board: Mount the Mesa board in your wiring cabinet. I recommended you get the DIN mount version and I have plenty of DIN mount rail left over. Plus I have a bunch of DIN mount terminals that might be helpful.

Servo control: The key part is you will need to get your servo's under your control. This might be trivial, as simple as finding the +/- 10V inputs on your servo controllers but you need to get to the point where the servo motors are moving with a +/- 10V signal.

Sero feedback. I assume your motors have a quadrature encoder. You need to figure out what they output for position and how to wire that into the Mesa board.

eStop: There should be a "Normally Open" set of terminals on all of the key components that close when the component is powered on and happy. You will want to daisy chain all of these together and ultimately into the Mesa card. If one component faults, the system will halt.

Limit switches: Wire the limits into the Mesa card.

Programming Stuff:

Programming the PC: I'll handle this. Install Linux and optimize the settings for low latency. Install LinuxCNC.

Teach the system about the hardware: Make an .ini file for the Mesa cards, set up the servo loops. Map the physical inputs (limit switches, quadrature, estop, etc) to the corresponding logical inputs. Map the logical outputs (control voltage, eStop enable, etc) to the corresponding physical outputs.

Tune the servo's: Get the PID settings right for each axis. Linux CNC has some tools to make this easier.

Enable the Pendant: If you have one, this takes some programming
  • BeagleBrainz
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29 Feb 2020 23:57 - 29 Feb 2020 23:58

Recommended PC configuration: CPU and Motherboard (Q1 2020)

Category: Computers and Hardware

It looks good.
I use a J3355B with a 2 Core Celeron with a 2.0GHz base freq burst is 2.5GHz
The J4105M has a 4 Core Celeron with a 1.5GHz base freq burst is 2.5GHz

Hers a search on the forums regarding the J4105
forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/search?query=J4...te=all&childforums=1
  • calinb
  • calinb
04 Mar 2019 18:36 - 04 Mar 2019 18:37
Replied by calinb on topic Roll the dice on an ASRockJ4005B-ITX?

Roll the dice on an ASRockJ4005B-ITX?

Category: Computers and Hardware

The 4105 has a quad core but all it will be doing is LinuxCNC so is it really that much faster than the dual core 1800? Low latency is the bottom line and what I'm after, right?

I'm still not impressed with the capabilities of most multi-threaded aps! The 1800 actually supports more (but slower) memory too, but I doubt I'll need 16GB of memory.

Can these boards run either RT-PREEMPT or RTAI? I'm planning to use the printer port with RTAI but maybe I'll change my mind. Hard to say at this point.

Both of these boards only have only printer port headers, but a header might be better than a printer connector anyway...except do you happen to know if I'll need to use pull-up resistors too?

I'd sure appreciate a pluses vs. minuses rundown on these two boards!

ASRock D1800M:
www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/D1800M/index.asp#Specification
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item...13157514&ignorebbr=1

ASRock J4105M:
www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/J4105M/index.asp
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item...13157807&ignorebbr=1

Thanks!
  • mehow
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06 Oct 2018 02:07

motherboard for linuxcnc uspace + mesa 7i80hd

Category: Computers and Hardware

I've got an Asrock J4105M running fine with 4.9rt but my graphics are total crap. Can't seem to get graphics to work, will need to update to 4.18.5rt.

How do I use the config file that PCW provided? Is that used in the installation process? or just for reference?

Thanks!
  • vre
  • vre
28 Aug 2018 16:46 - 31 Aug 2018 12:12

motherboard for linuxcnc uspace + mesa 7i80hd

Category: Computers and Hardware

I got asrock J4105M but intel onboard gpu with stock preempt-rt kernel does not work
needs kernel >= 4.18 to work.

Iam building new kernel now
so in 3 hours after compiling finish i will know..
  • vre
  • vre
04 Aug 2018 02:04

motherboard for linuxcnc uspace + mesa 7i80hd

Category: Computers and Hardware

i got Asrock J4105M (microATX) because has parallel + 2 serial
also 30euros cheaper from j5005-itx .
When i receive i will inform for jitter and if it is suitable for linuxcnc.
  • vre
  • vre
29 Jul 2018 23:19

motherboard for linuxcnc uspace + mesa 7i80hd

Category: Computers and Hardware

Witch motherboard for linuxcnc uspace + mesa 7i80hd

Asrock J5005-ITX
or
Asrock J4105M (microATX)

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