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7 years 7 months ago - 7 years 7 months ago #129097 by Grotius
If a plasma machine runs 10 m/min it is not very fast. If a plasma machine run's 20 m/min it's very fast. I cancelled a order for a 20 m/min machine speed today. Because of future safety issue's.

Client want's a machine of 8000mm x 2000mm area. For aluminium cutting. Client has a machine working. His workman are walking on the machine cutting bed while machine is cutting.

I chancelled order because i don't want to be the killer company. :woohoo:
Client has no idea about safety issue's. So keep in mind the safety issue's.

Building a machine is one. Keep the safety plan in touch is two. Build a safe machine, if machine if very fast, make a fence and related safety option's.
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7 years 7 months ago #129106 by tommylight
The thing with plasma CNC machines is, you have to know what you need from it. There is no "one size fits all" deal with plasma ( or any other cnc machine ).
The first and main question is: what do you want to cut with if ?
Now that is not addressed at the material you want to cut as plasma does not care much if it is cutting Alu, mild steel or extremely hard metals, that makes little difference.
Thickness makes a lot of difference as that is mainly dependant on speed, and speed is directly linked to profit i.e. less time to cut=more parts=more profit.
There are a lot of other things that will determine the speed of cut, but for us right now we are dealing with thickness.
Cutting from 1 to 3mm thick plates requires the machine to move fast, even with a 50A plasma source, so the machine needs to be light and agile and have very fast acceleration. At the other end of the spectrum, cutting 20mm thick plates goes slowly even with a 150A source, so the machine can move slowly, be heavy and have sluggish accelerations.
Then we to get to rapids. Rapids are not important for making one off's or doing large parts, say 2 to5 parts per plate. They are very important when you have to do 280 cuts in a single 2x1 meter plate and they are extremely important when doing 400 to 500 cuts on a 6x2 meter plate. This is very important for decorations and art.
Rapids greatly reduce the time it takes to do serial parts, and that in turn is good for profits.

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7 years 7 months ago - 7 years 7 months ago #129111 by Grotius
Tommy,

People that walk around on top of the machine while the machine is cutting is very dangarous. When the rapid speed is 10 m/min
this can be triggered, but it's not the way to do certain things in life. But machine has no stop output when people are walking around on top. When machine speed up's to 20 meter a minute this can be deadly. So i chanceled the order.
I advised microstep to the customer. Maybe they want to take this risk.
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7 years 7 months ago - 7 years 7 months ago #129114 by Grotius
About the general idea....

If you think simple. And after a few years you think about the fastest protocol ever...

You can be in the position to post a random picture. This machine is running on a parport. And today
the machine is still running.

So a general idea can be quite simple. It's just how you combine things in life.
If you want to end like Elon Musk. I don't say you are crazy.... bro....
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7 years 7 months ago #129130 by tommylight
I have to agree with you on that walking on the machine, that is a no no while it is working.
Had the same issue some years ago with i client i installed and wired and programmed a Kuka robot, he insisted on not installing fences and making it work faster ! I did not make it run faster, i set it at 25% and left it there. No one got injured ever! At 100% that would not be the case. When moving slow people have time to see it and move away from it, at high speeds even if they see it they can not move out of the way fast enough.
Moving several hundred kilos of weight at over 36 meters per minute when the arm is fully extended is to much.

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7 years 6 months ago #131479 by thefabricator03
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Ill add some of my experience in this thread, lot of good info in here already,

Production plamsa is messy, really messy. My machine cuts at up to three of these type of sheets per day,


After two weeks of cutting I had to clean out the machine and filled up half a 44 gallon drum full of plamsa sludge,


Due to the need to clean out the machine constantly I had to redesign how my slats fit into the table.
My first design had the slat holder as part of the machine frame. This meant I had to put out each slat every time I needed to clean out the machine.. Very time consuming.


My new design incorporated removeable sections that the slats fit into,


Now when I need to clean out the machine I lift out each section with a forklift and a jib instead of removing each slat at a time,

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