Valid arc lost & top limit is reached while THC moving up
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						21 Feb 2022 14:23		 -  21 Feb 2022 14:37		#235461
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				Hello, I need some help here to have regular cuts in plasmac.
I am using debian 10 with a buster 2.8-rtpreempt buildbot, plasmac axis configuration v0.190, a mesa board 7I76E with THCAD-300 in a Hypertherm powermax 65.
1st Setup - Mode 0
THC voltage inside range. External arc voltage for Arc Voltage and Arc Ok.
Test: I've tried a lot of cuts with 2500mm long and in 10 tries i've completed 1 and the rest stops in first 100mm with an error.
Result: "Valid Arc lost error"
2nd Setup - Mode 1
Switch to mode 1 - External Arc Voltage for THC and External Arc Ok from the same cutter connected to an input.
Result: Very similar, I have the same error "Valid arc lost"
3rd setup - Arc lost delay
After this try i used "setp plasmac.arc-lost-delay 2" in <machine>_connections.hal.
Trying the same test and getting similar results but the error is different.
I've tried with delays of 5, 2, 1, 0.5 and 0.1.
Result: Got a little better between 100mm and 150mm but the goal is 2500mm. In 10 tries i've accomplished 1.
Sometimes cuts further but it's very difficult to reach a cut with 2500mm
The error is always "top limit is reached while THC is moving up".
In attachments I have .ini, .hal, .connections, config and run panel.
 
 
 
 
 
What should I try next? Is anything missing?
Thanks in advance
					I am using debian 10 with a buster 2.8-rtpreempt buildbot, plasmac axis configuration v0.190, a mesa board 7I76E with THCAD-300 in a Hypertherm powermax 65.
1st Setup - Mode 0
THC voltage inside range. External arc voltage for Arc Voltage and Arc Ok.
Test: I've tried a lot of cuts with 2500mm long and in 10 tries i've completed 1 and the rest stops in first 100mm with an error.
Result: "Valid Arc lost error"
2nd Setup - Mode 1
Switch to mode 1 - External Arc Voltage for THC and External Arc Ok from the same cutter connected to an input.
Result: Very similar, I have the same error "Valid arc lost"
3rd setup - Arc lost delay
After this try i used "setp plasmac.arc-lost-delay 2" in <machine>_connections.hal.
Trying the same test and getting similar results but the error is different.
I've tried with delays of 5, 2, 1, 0.5 and 0.1.
Result: Got a little better between 100mm and 150mm but the goal is 2500mm. In 10 tries i've accomplished 1.
Sometimes cuts further but it's very difficult to reach a cut with 2500mm
The error is always "top limit is reached while THC is moving up".
In attachments I have .ini, .hal, .connections, config and run panel.
What should I try next? Is anything missing?
Thanks in advance
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						21 Feb 2022 22:48				#235482
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				Replied by phillc54 on topic Valid arc lost &  top limit is reached while THC moving up			
			
				I think you should first check the cut height and feed rate, they seem a long way off what is in the Hypertherm cut charts.			
					
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						21 Feb 2022 22:57				#235483
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				Replied by sharp_reaper on topic Valid arc lost &  top limit is reached while THC moving up			
			
				I am using the charts from Hypertherm with the news consumibles.
I have adjusted the probe height and float travel.
Checked with different probe tests and THC movement is very accurate with the distances.
					I have adjusted the probe height and float travel.
Checked with different probe tests and THC movement is very accurate with the distances.
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				Replied by snowgoer540 on topic Valid arc lost &  top limit is reached while THC moving up			
			
				I'm with Phill, assuming that you are using the low speed finecut mild steel settings based on your cut speed, then your pierce height and cut height are not right.  Cut height is 1.5mm and pierce height is 3.8mm from the charts.			
					
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						22 Feb 2022 03:06				#235490
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What is the actual voltage when you are cutting compared with the book value? If it is way higher this would help confirm this.
					
	
	
			 		
													
	
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			Cutting too high could explain the loss of a valid arc as the machine is unable to keep a stable cut environment when out of spec.I'm with Phill, assuming that you are using the low speed finecut mild steel settings based on your cut speed, then your pierce height and cut height are not right. Cut height is 1.5mm and pierce height is 3.8mm from the charts.
What is the actual voltage when you are cutting compared with the book value? If it is way higher this would help confirm this.
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						22 Feb 2022 09:28				#235495
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						22 Feb 2022 09:35				#235497
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				What is the voltage when cutting?  I asked before.			
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						22 Feb 2022 09:39				#235498
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				Replied by sharp_reaper on topic Valid arc lost &  top limit is reached while THC moving up			
			
				Parameters  Cut Volt at 94
Testing now I have mostly 89-90 Volts.
Max value 95
Min value 84
					Testing now I have mostly 89-90 Volts.
Max value 95
Min value 84
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						22 Feb 2022 09:40				#235499
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Testing now I have mostly 89-90 Volts.
Max value 95
Min value 84
					
	
			
			 		
													
	
				Replied by sharp_reaper on topic Valid arc lost &  top limit is reached while THC moving up			
			Parameters Cut Volt at 94What is the voltage when cutting? I asked before.
Testing now I have mostly 89-90 Volts.
Max value 95
Min value 84
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						22 Feb 2022 10:05				#235501
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				Replied by tommylight on topic Valid arc lost &  top limit is reached while THC moving up			
			
				Try this:
-set the THC scale so you get roughly 120V while cutting
-test
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84V is to close to the lower limit of 60V, so that might trip the arcok.
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You should disable AutoVolts while testing, after everything is working, enable it.
					-set the THC scale so you get roughly 120V while cutting
-test
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84V is to close to the lower limit of 60V, so that might trip the arcok.
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You should disable AutoVolts while testing, after everything is working, enable it.
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