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24 Feb 2022 23:06 #235756
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Same here, it must be another forum feature.For some strange reason i can not quote last post from Snowwy, but i can all the others, even mine !
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24 Feb 2022 23:08 #235757
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I guess I am a forum ninja? No worries Tommy, it wasn't your feathers I wasn't wanting to ruffleFor some strange reason i can not quote last post from Snowwy, but i can all the others, even mine !
Forgot about that snowwy, busy day with a bit of headache, the latter messes badly with my ability to think and process informations.
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25 Feb 2022 07:58 #235770
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Mode 0 is not without issues due to the simplistic ArcOK algorithm using thresholds when the torch voltage is quite erratic in piercing and not a smooth transition but thats another story. Its not something I would trust.
What I do see is in the original post the OP said he was using a THCAD-300. That makes no sense on a machine that has a voltage divider and a CPC port. The THCAD-300 designed to consume raw arc voltage.
So how is the THCAD connected to the machine and what voltage divider is used? Where is the THCAD located?
Where is it drawing 5v power from?
What I do see is in the original post the OP said he was using a THCAD-300. That makes no sense on a machine that has a voltage divider and a CPC port. The THCAD-300 designed to consume raw arc voltage.
So how is the THCAD connected to the machine and what voltage divider is used? Where is the THCAD located?
Where is it drawing 5v power from?
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25 Feb 2022 08:27 #235771
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I have never had any issues with it.
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Well it is more than just thresholds, it does require a number of valid samples within the thresholds.Mode 0 is not without issues due to the simplistic ArcOK algorithm using thresholds when the torch voltage is quite erratic in piercing and not a smooth transition but thats another story. Its not something I would trust.
I have never had any issues with it.
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25 Feb 2022 12:07 #235782
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Mode 0 works perfectly well with most plasma sources, but it will not work with some older ones as they do not have capacitors on the output rails.
Works perfectly with an old Iskra and Cebora, both 50A, does not work with Thermal Dynamics 90A -fails about twice every 10 fires, works perfectly with a new Stamos 70A, etc etc.
Works perfectly with an old Iskra and Cebora, both 50A, does not work with Thermal Dynamics 90A -fails about twice every 10 fires, works perfectly with a new Stamos 70A, etc etc.
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25 Feb 2022 12:43 #235784
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Exactly my point, not to be trusted. If I did not have an ArcOK I would use your reed relay solution Tommy, I would never try and synthesise it.Mode 0 works perfectly well with most plasma sources, but it will not work with some older ones as they do not have capacitors on the output rails.
Works perfectly with an old Iskra and Cebora, both 50A, does not work with Thermal Dynamics 90A -fails about twice every 10 fires, works perfectly with a new Stamos 70A, etc etc.
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25 Feb 2022 12:43 #235785
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I think I have fixed the issue. Checked everything from point to point and came to conclusion that the air tube is too long and can't give the needed flow to the plasma cutter when cutting. The momentary air loss generates the error/warning only when cutting, i never saw error in plasma source because i was monitoring controller (linuxcnc).
A faulty air pressure supply, which the plasma cutter lost the ArcOK due to less than minimum air pressure needed to cut, which indicates in LinuxCNC (and well indicated) a "Valid Arc Lost". The fact that cuts time to time it's when the air compressor supply is working. I've managed to supply the right air pressure to the cutter and it's working. Now just need a few adjusts in THC movement.
I want to thank everyone that was able to help, I apreciate that! Now I understand better the works of plasmac and what to chek if anything isn't ok.
Sorry for the trouble.
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A faulty air pressure supply, which the plasma cutter lost the ArcOK due to less than minimum air pressure needed to cut, which indicates in LinuxCNC (and well indicated) a "Valid Arc Lost". The fact that cuts time to time it's when the air compressor supply is working. I've managed to supply the right air pressure to the cutter and it's working. Now just need a few adjusts in THC movement.
I want to thank everyone that was able to help, I apreciate that! Now I understand better the works of plasmac and what to chek if anything isn't ok.
Sorry for the trouble.
THANK YOU
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25 Feb 2022 15:42 #235787
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You are quite welcome. Glad to hear you got it going!
Just a piece of unsolicited advice, if you don't have high flow air fittings, you might invest in them. The Hypertherm power sources seem to perform more consistently when they have a ton of volume in addition to the pressure requirements.
These are what I use: Air Fittings
When held next to standard fittings, the size difference of the hole is staggering.
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You are quite welcome. Glad to hear you got it going!
Just a piece of unsolicited advice, if you don't have high flow air fittings, you might invest in them. The Hypertherm power sources seem to perform more consistently when they have a ton of volume in addition to the pressure requirements.
These are what I use: Air Fittings
When held next to standard fittings, the size difference of the hole is staggering.
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26 Feb 2022 07:46 #235839
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Great news. I know Jim Colt from Hypertherm always recommended to add a pressure gauge right at the plasma cutters inlet but air flow at the design pressure is the most critical thing.
Just curious. Were there any errors reported on the plasma cutter's front panel? my Thermal Dynamics does report low air pressure and I've seen it a few times if a breaker on the compressor pops.
Just curious. Were there any errors reported on the plasma cutter's front panel? my Thermal Dynamics does report low air pressure and I've seen it a few times if a breaker on the compressor pops.
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15 Mar 2022 12:50 - 15 Mar 2022 12:52 #237322
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I think it's very common the alert 0-12 low gas pressure alert when the cut ends
And the 0-20 low gas pressure.
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Sorry for the delay.Just curious. Were there any errors reported on the plasma cutter's front panel? my Thermal Dynamics does report low air pressure and I've seen it a few times if a breaker on the compressor pops.
I think it's very common the alert 0-12 low gas pressure alert when the cut ends
And the 0-20 low gas pressure.
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