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06 Aug 2021 19:59 - 06 Aug 2021 20:01 #217081 by snowgoer540

Hold off for a bit, I may have installed standard 19.3 today from an existing download, my memory is so bad I can't remember.


Had some time to check this after work. Looks like the rt kernel is in the regular 19.4 ISO.

So, install guide forthcoming.

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06 Aug 2021 23:24 #217091 by tommylight
Snowwy might be on to something, i do have a wireless card through a very long extension cable on that PC.
On the other side, as my luck would have it, last 3 days been using a Dell Optiplex 760 with Core 2 Duo with only 2 GB of RAM, using Mint 20.2 and it works perfectly well.
- I like Mint as it:
--always works with every PC or laptop i have (over 20 of them)
--it is extremely reliable and works for years without issues (have several miners running it)
--it is very hard to break it on purpose, and i try, a lot
--comes with stuff i use a lot, right click>open terminal here/open as admin, task bar with CPU/graphic card/HDD/SSD/WiFi temps so i can see everything at a glance, also load for everything, etc <<<those are things that i can not do without as i do a lot of testing and flashing BIOS on a 1K$ graphic card to later find out it burnt to a crisp is a no no.
There are more of the small things that just make life easier by saving a lot of time, lately most distros will not open a terminal by pressing CTRL+ALT+T, personally i take that as a cardinal sin ! :)

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08 Aug 2021 02:43 #217173 by RNJFAB
Replied by RNJFAB on topic Homemade, cheap, plasma CNC
Thanks Guys,

Currently running a Dell that s a few years old. did the Debian buster install and linuxcnc 2.8.0. that side of things worked very well. Tried previously with some pretty high spec laptops and had nothing but troubles with 10 000 000 latency results. Tried mint, couldn't get a kernel to work to run linux, not computer issue - operator issue.

Rod - code didn't work, button changes on the guy, but no response from MESA or relay.

Snowgoer540 - Thannk You. I have sourced another computer (Same as current one) to do a full load of an OS and QTplasmaC.

So I guess now is a good chance for me to do a simple step by step guide to install everything and setup. Any good idiot guides on what system to run?

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08 Aug 2021 04:28 #217174 by rodw
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The move to Python3 has broken pncconf and stepconf which is a bit of a worry. I'm not sure how a new user can get going with the official QTplasmac until that is fixed. They will need to build their config by hand.

I spent all day yesterday trying to install Linux and Linuxcnc on my Odroid H2+ which requires the network drivers to be installed from a USB drive as they are not in most distros. MxLinux had issues with loosing my wireless mouse. Also on PREEMPT_RT, there was a dependency required (how do you install that with no network?). Tried Mint 20.3 with similar issues. Tried Mint 19.3 and had issues too. Finally tried to install the official Debian Buster ISO and it wanted to install a dependency to install grub so it was not possible to boot. I could not believe it was not in the ISO!

So eventually, installed Debian 10 (Bullseye RC3 released 2 August) which uses the Linux 5.10 kernel which supported my network cards and has the PREEMPT_RT kernel in its repos so I installed that with Synaptic. Sadly, there is no buildbot repo for Bullseye and I found it was impossible to install linuxcnc using synaptic becasue it had some dependencies that could not be satisifed. Some seemed pretty silly like it needed Python 3.8 or less and Bullseye is running Python 3.9.

So back to good old run in place to install linuxcnc. So this time I built the debs which I had never done before and they installed OK so have the menus operational. I have a full list of dependencies and the debs in Google drive.

I'm actually pretty excited about this. If the devs got behind bullseye, it would be possible to stop building ISOs and just ask the Debian guys nicely to include the buildbot repo in the debian mainstream distos. How cool would that be?
When I get a moment, I'll try and document the process in another thread.

Burt for now, I can't see that a user can install V 2.9. They have to start with 2.8 if they are not able to build a config from the ground up by hand until the support software is fixed. Perhaps Phill could roll out a seperate configurator again 

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08 Aug 2021 05:24 #217177 by phillc54
Yes, it is annoying that PnCconf is broken, I made a start on fixing it but there is a lot wrong with it and after several hours I gave up, I don't have the time or the inclination to learn GTK3. I spent a heck of a lot of time getting QtPlasmaC into PnCconf and I don't intend to duplicate all that effort to make a new configurator not know how long it will be before PnCconf is fixed. Unfortunately it is what it is, this is master branch so it is not totally unexpected although frustrating.
I "think" the issue with StepConf is relativley simple to fix.
From memory the package building is pretty well documented on the Building LinuxCNC page.

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08 Aug 2021 05:44 #217179 by rodw
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Yes, it is annoying that PnCconf is broken, I made a start on fixing it but there is a lot wrong with it and after several hours I gave up, I don't have the time or the inclination to learn GTK3. I spent a heck of a lot of time getting QtPlasmaC into PnCconf and I don't intend to duplicate all that effort to make a new configurator not know how long it will be before PnCconf is fixed. Unfortunately it is what it is, this is master branch so it is not totally unexpected although frustrating.
I "think" the issue with StepConf is relativley simple to fix.
From memory the package building is pretty well documented on the Building LinuxCNC page.

Yes, I think the writing was on the wall re Python3 for a long time. Even I knew it was coming. I know you've put a lot of work into making QTplasmac Python3 compliant. I don't understand why then the configurator was built into a python 2 application. I know hindsight is a marvelous thing, but it did not make sense to unfutureproof qtplasmac that way. It seems also the QTdesigner is a Python 2 application.

I think its also amazing and above and beyond the call of duty for you to have put so much work into application deployment. Nobody else has done that on any other GUI.

Personally, I'd like to see a clean break once the python issues are fixed and ensure release of V2.9 occurs on a ISO-less Debian Bullseye environment so it can be installed like all the rest of the Linux applications out there! After all Bullseye is due to become an official release in about 6 days time!

I installed Debian with the XFce front end and I have to say its quite pleasant to use but supporting search in the menus would be good.

Yes the package  building was pretty straightforward and unearthed a few more dependencies. Just the docs forgot to tell you where to look for them. I never would have thought to look in my home folder!

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08 Aug 2021 07:01 - 08 Aug 2021 07:04 #217183 by phillc54

I don't understand why then the configurator was built into a python 2 application.

Because python2 was the official development environment at the time and PnCconf should have been ported to python3/Glade3 during the conversion process like all the other GUI applications were.


It seems also the QTdesigner is a Python 2 application.

AFAIK designer is written in C++ or similar.

I'd like to see a clean break once the python issues are fixed and ensure release of V2.9 occurs on a ISO-less Debian Bullseye environment.

I don't understand what you mean by this. Packages are available.

Yes the package  building was pretty straightforward and unearthed a few more dependencies.

I don't do package builds often but yeah, they normally go quite easily.

Just the docs forgot to tell you where to look for them.

I imagine PR's would be welcomed for the document updates.
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08 Aug 2021 07:35 #217187 by rodw
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I'd like to see a clean break once the python issues are fixed and ensure release of V2.9 occurs on a ISO-less Debian Bullseye environment.

I don't understand what you mean by this. Packages are available.


There are no packages for Bullseye and the Buster ones don't work due to different dependencies.
I did try changing the repos in Synaptic in case there was something there but all I got was the docs.

I'll try your script re QT. I did not install the designer stuff. I thought I saw some Python 2 dependencies loaded by it.

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08 Aug 2021 10:07 - 08 Aug 2021 10:08 #217202 by phillc54
The script in master is all python3.

I fixed my last mistake today....
 
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11 Aug 2021 01:34 - 11 Aug 2021 08:14 #217458 by snowgoer540

At least it can be used without massive latency like the builtin causes on my Brix J1900.



I’m curious… did you have to disconnect the card inside the computer or was disabling the WiFi enough?
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