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7 years 5 months ago #135083
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Thanks for taking the time to put your thoughts together on tuning. Could you please upload your Ini, so I can see what the results look like?
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7 years 5 months ago #135476
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Hi Mark, I'm attaching the ini file. It's definitely not perfect, but a replacement spindle arrived this week and the machine has been cutting at 20% faster rates than on the Philips due to the possibility of using feeds above 1500. The parts look good and I hope tool life will be better as well, since I replaced all the plunges with fancy entry strategies.
Previously, out of the 18000 rpm available on the little Elte spindle I was using around 14000 due to the feedrate cap. Now it's working at full speed, and feedrates have gone from 1500 to 1890 mm/min. In reality, the feeds in helical cuts are ca. 500, but my parts are mostly straight and the increased cutting speed is actually used most of the time.
I'm mentioning all this to let you know that I'm actually using this config and it works. So it's not a situation where I'm a backseat driver goading you into doing something risky. If the service tech I've been in contact with actually comes to inspect the mill I will ask him about the tuning and post his opinions as well. He is well acquainted with the subject. A retired machine tool electronics specialist whom I know and bothered over the phone on this subject suggested that I should find manuals for the Siemens Sinumerik 810 control online and try their method. I haven't tried that yet due to lack of time, but if the Philips has decent info on tuning but the gains are dervied instead of entered manually, chances are some other controller with a good manual could provide good targets to shoot for that can be more easily applied to LinuxCNC.
Previously, out of the 18000 rpm available on the little Elte spindle I was using around 14000 due to the feedrate cap. Now it's working at full speed, and feedrates have gone from 1500 to 1890 mm/min. In reality, the feeds in helical cuts are ca. 500, but my parts are mostly straight and the increased cutting speed is actually used most of the time.
I'm mentioning all this to let you know that I'm actually using this config and it works. So it's not a situation where I'm a backseat driver goading you into doing something risky. If the service tech I've been in contact with actually comes to inspect the mill I will ask him about the tuning and post his opinions as well. He is well acquainted with the subject. A retired machine tool electronics specialist whom I know and bothered over the phone on this subject suggested that I should find manuals for the Siemens Sinumerik 810 control online and try their method. I haven't tried that yet due to lack of time, but if the Philips has decent info on tuning but the gains are dervied instead of entered manually, chances are some other controller with a good manual could provide good targets to shoot for that can be more easily applied to LinuxCNC.
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7 years 4 months ago #135738
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Sorry I didn't respond, but we took a long weekend in Solvenia last weekend. Thanks for sending your INI.
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7 years 4 months ago #135749
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No problem, would like a vacation as well!
One thing I changed since it was posted was the max velocity for axes Y and Z, they were incorrect and different. I set them to 2500, which in machine units per second is 41.6666667.
There's a lot of stuff I should do with my files to clean them up, but while it's all working I prefer to focus on other things. At some point I'll come back to tweaking.
One thing I changed since it was posted was the max velocity for axes Y and Z, they were incorrect and different. I set them to 2500, which in machine units per second is 41.6666667.
There's a lot of stuff I should do with my files to clean them up, but while it's all working I prefer to focus on other things. At some point I'll come back to tweaking.
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7 years 4 months ago #135831
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I have a few things to tidy up as well. I still need to learn how to use the LinuxCNC tool change offsets, rather than just touching off each time. My Feed override encoder is not working etc.
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7 years 4 months ago #135921
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Mark, I have a question about the Maho user manual. Mine is in French and I don't understand technical terminology in that language. There's a chapter there on the differences between manual change (standard) ISO toolholders and DIN69871 ones for automatic changing. Can manual ISO toolholders be used in the MAHO spindle? Do they require some sort of modification (I assume turning)? It looks like the manual type is longer and wouldn't fit in the cartridge, or is it that the clamping force is lower?
I wonder what that chapter is about (3.12, 3.13). You can sometimes buy toolholders at good prices second-hand, I was wondering if both types are okay or just the one I've been using.
I wonder what that chapter is about (3.12, 3.13). You can sometimes buy toolholders at good prices second-hand, I was wondering if both types are okay or just the one I've been using.
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