[ Vfdmod ] An easy VFD control over MODBUS RTU

Todd Zuercher
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11 Jan 2022 14:07 #231444 by Todd Zuercher

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Double check that all com settings are the same for your device and in Linuxcnc. Make sure your device is configured for RTU and not ASCII.

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14 Jan 2022 21:23 #231800 by s_volenszki

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Hi, thank you for your answer!

I had no time on the week just tonight and I fired up the logic analyser. The result was surprising, actually all response CRC are invalid checksum. I used Saleae Logic analyzer software with Modbus RTU analyzer. After I started to read the VFD documentation again and I found something:

"At the time of transmission, the low bytes are in CRC CHK high bit front and the high bytes are in the back. When CRC is added to the message, low bytes are added first, and then high bytes."

This is a command to read the VFD current frequency:
01 03 10 00 00 01 80 CA

This is the answer from the VFD:
01 03 00 02 09 C4 E3 C9

And if I calculate the 01 03 00 02 09 C4 CRC value:
CRC-16/MODBUS => 0xC9E3

So this is absolutely clear the VFD answering the CRC in reverse. Now only one question left, how can I reverse the CRC before the Vfdmod start to compare with the pre calculated CRC?

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14 Jan 2022 21:55 #231808 by Todd Zuercher

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I would suggest checking your VFD's documentation for a setting that corrects it.

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15 Jan 2022 07:11 - 15 Jan 2022 07:12 #231863 by aekhv

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According file attached upper (see forum.linuxcnc.org/24-hal-components/387...-rtu?start=70#230567), write function works well, including CRC checking.

vfdmod: setting command speed value to 2500 (0x09C4)...
[01][06][10][00][09][C4][8A][C9]
Waiting for a confirmation...
<01><06><10><00><09><C4><8A><C9> <<< OK! Response is valid!

vfdmod: setting control word value to 6 (0x0006)...
[01][06][20][00][00][06][02][08]
Waiting for a confirmation...
<01><06><20><00><00><06><02><08> <<< OK! Response is valid!

vfdmod: reading 'spindle.rpm-out' from address 4096 (0x1000)...
[01][03][10][00][00][01][80][CA]
Waiting for a confirmation...
<01><03><00><02><09>
ERROR CRC received 0x209 != CRC calculated 0x20F0

I can't believe CRC works normally in writing mode, but needs to swap a pair of bytes in reading mode. It's insane!

Last edit: 15 Jan 2022 07:12 by aekhv.

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15 Jan 2022 08:46 #231875 by s_volenszki

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I just guess, If I give a write command, the VFD echoes back the command what I sent, and do not bother with the CRC calculation (except if it has an error). But when I read data, It must calculate CRC, because the responded data is not related to the request command. I upload the whole SKI-780 RS485 communication protocol documentation, the CRC verification section starts at page 15. If you have time to take a look on it, maybe you can spot on the solution.

I do not know what's next. I try to change Modbus data format and Modbus protocol type, if it will fail too, I think I either start to learn the 0-10V analog solution or the PWM solution (if the VFD supports), or ask may local supplier to give me quotation for a supported VFD (like Omron or Siemens).

Thank you all for your help so far.

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15 Jan 2022 11:49 #231886 by s_volenszki

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Finally I did it

I made a factory reset on the VFD and started over the settings.

What I did with Sako SKI-780:

Set the PP-01 to 01 manual on the VFD control panel (01 = reset factory settings except motor parameters)
I used the default 9600 baudrate.
Set the command source to RS485 with serial console app (01 06 F0 02 00 02 9A CB).
Set the main frequency source to RS485 with serial console app (01 06 F0 03 00 09 8A CC).
Changed the Modbus protocol to 31, standard Modbus communication, through RS485 with serial console app (01 06 FD 05 00 1F).
Changed the Modbus data format to 8,N,1 (value 3) through RS485 with serial console app (01 06 FD 01 00 03).

What is the most interesting, if I now debug LinuxCNC in terminal, I can see that the CRC Low and high bits are still in reverse order, but works. For example:

Read baudrate
Request: 01 03 FD 00 00 01 B5 A6
Response: 01 03 02 17 75 76 53
Calculated response CRC: 0x5376

Write baudrate
Request: 01 06 FD 00 17 75 76 71
Response: 01 06 FD 00 17 75 76 71
Calculated response CRC: 0x7176

Set spindle speed to 100Hz
Request: 01 06 10 00 09 C4 8A C9
Response: 01 06 10 00 09 C4 8A C9
Calculated response CRC: 0xC98A

So I don't know what was the key parameter for the solution, but now it works, and I hope, next time if someone walks the same way, will end up in less dead ends like me did (I think because of my inattention)

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15 Jan 2022 20:47 - 15 Jan 2022 21:05 #231927 by hitchhiker

Replied by hitchhiker on topic [ Vfdmod ] An easy VFD control over MODBUS RTU

hi!

I want to work with your component but i think i am to stupid to do the correct changes to the ini......

i add the ini to this reply and a picture from the registers.

please please please help.... thanks...

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17 Jan 2022 18:16 #232149 by hitchhiker

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hi...nobody has a toip,idea or could help me?!

thanks

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08 Mar 2022 12:01 - 08 Mar 2022 13:11 #236664 by H2B

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I've successfully used this to control a Folinn BD600 over MODBUS, and it should also apply to other Folinn (Fuling) models of VFDs. Unfortunately this model requires a reverse command to be sent using a negative percentage to the relative frequency command, which is something I'll try to figure out at a later stage.

Thanks @aekhv for this lovely bit of code!

Hope this information comes in handy for anyone using a Folinn VFD!

Here's the ini file I've used on Debian Bullseye with LinuxCNC 2.9 (default release packages work perfectly fine):

[Common]
MaxSpeedRPM=24000
MinSpeedRPM=6000
;AtSpeedThreshold=0.05

[RS485]
SlaveAddress=1
SerialDevice=/dev/ttyUSB1
BaudRate=9600
LoopDelay=500
ProtocolDelay=6
;IsConnectedDelay=10
ConnectionErrorList=110
ConnectionDelay=500

[Control]
Address=0x1000
RunForwardValue=0x0001
RunReverseValue=0x0002
FaultResetValue=0x0007
StopValue=0x0006

[SpindleRpmIn]
FunctionCode=0x06
Address=0x3000
Multiplier=10000
Divider=24000

[SpindleRpmOut]
Address=0x3001
Multiplier=30
Divider=10

[freq-running]
FunctionCode=0x03
Address=0x3001
PinType=float
PinName=freq-running
Divider=10

[bus-voltage]
FunctionCode=0x03
Address=0x3002
PinType=float
PinName=bus-voltage

[output-voltage]
FunctionCode=0x03
Address=0x3003
PinType=float
PinName=output-voltage

[output-current]
FunctionCode=0x03
Address=0x3004
PinType=float
PinName=output-current
Divider=100

[output-torque]
FunctionCode=0x03
Address=0x3006
PinType=float
PinName=output-torque

[run-speed]
FunctionCode=0x03
Address=0x3007
PinType=float
PinName=run-speed

[spindle-load-speed]
FunctionCode=0x03
Address=0x300F
PinType=float
PinName=spindle-load-speed

[power-on-time]
FunctionCode=0x03
Address=0x301A
PinType=float
PinName=power-on-time

[spindle-run-time]
FunctionCode=0x03
Address=0x301B
PinType=float
PinName=spindle-run-time

[fault-code]
FunctionCode=0x03
Address=0x8000
PinType=float
PinName=fault-code

And here's the files added to the custom.hal to make it work with the interface:

loadusr -W vfdmod bd600.ini --debug
net spindle-vel-cmd-rpm => vfdmod.spindle.rpm-in
net spindle-at-speed <= vfdmod.spindle.at-speed
net spindle-cw => vfdmod.control.run-forward
net spindle-ccw => vfdmod.control.run-reverse

Last edit: 08 Mar 2022 13:11 by H2B.

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08 Mar 2022 14:32 #236676 by rodw

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Beautiful thanks. I had just about given up on using this with my Folin BD600
I got a feeling my RS485 interface is bad but you have inspired me to keep trying!
It would be helpful if you could outline the changes you made in the VFD settings to enable RS485 control

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