Emcoturn 120 lathe retrofit

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10 years 3 months ago #78010 by jmelson
Replied by jmelson on topic Emcoturn 120 lathe retrofit
As Muzzer says, these may be in the precharge circuit. If they fried, it may be one or more of the IGBTs shorted, and since the precharge could not fill the capacitor bank, it just kept trying until the resistors smoked. You might take an ohmmeter reading on each of the motor terminals to the cap bank + and minus to see if any transistors are shorted. You SHOULD get an open-circuit reading.

If these resistors are in parallel to the DC supply, they would pull 11 A, which might be about right for a 5 Hp drive. ***BUT***, there's no way a full braking resistor set would be two tiny resistors on the circuit board. I'm running two 50 W resistors in open air on my 1 Hp drive on my Bridgeport, and two 100 W resistors on my lathe (with 5 HP motor.)

Jon

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10 years 3 months ago - 10 years 3 months ago #78020 by LutzTD
Replied by LutzTD on topic Emcoturn 120 lathe retrofit
yeah thats an ME talking electronics :). I assumed they were brake resistors. These were really cheap looking, very thin coating of insulation. In fact they sleeved it 2 layers with shrink tubing and it still arced around that. An EE at work told me it was a clearance issue and that if I replace the resistors I should add some insulation barriers to be safe.

I was going to try to replace these, but if there is a trouble shoot step I can do before I fork out for resistors then I would love to save the money. The error code I got was for acceleration not deceleration. I was going to remove the value that the vendor gave me for acceleration but when I turned it on again thats when it smoked.

I left the chassis at work, but Ill take some more pics tomorrow. I do not have and cant get the schematic.

I looked for any other physical signs of damage and saw nothing, but of course the whole thing could be shot internally.
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10 years 3 months ago #78021 by LutzTD
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I did have a bigger picture. just the one.

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10 years 3 months ago #78095 by Muzzer
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I only see six IGBTs there (you would need another one for braking control) and there are no terminals for connecting an external braking resistor. So this drive doesn't look as if it supports use of a braking resistor.

The black relay at the bottom right is the soft start relay and it is clearly not being energised for some reason. It's possible that there is something wrong with it but that seems unlikely. The little transformer wrapped in yellow polyester tape (top left) is the internal PSU for the control circuit. There's a good chance it isn't able to power the relay if one or more of the IGBTs are shot and the associated gate drive circuit(s) are buggered.

It's possible that the damage is restricted to just one IGBT but that would be unusual. You can probably use this to keep a door propped open now. I don't think you've done anything wrong, other than pay good money for it.

Murray

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10 years 3 months ago #78096 by LutzTD
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thanx, I guess it was a $75 lesson for me. I have the Automation Direct GS2 on site and will be installing it this weekend. Hopefully that will go easier than the other one.

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10 years 2 months ago #78439 by LutzTD
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installed the Automation Direct GS2 drive. wired it up and ran it manually. seems to run OK on single phase. I'm wondering if I should go ahead and try to hook it up using modbus rather than 2 relays. I don't see any other way than relays for the 7i76e outputs as they do not switch the common on the VFD, they supply external voltage which is not allowed on the GS2. Problem is the 7i76e wants to use rs-422 and the VFD wants a rs-485 or rs-232 signal

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