Hurco BMC 20 Ultimax 3 Retrofit
20 Jan 2016 03:57 #68794
by Jake
Replied by Jake on topic Hurco BMC 20 Ultimax 3 Retrofit
Thanks Jon!
I did do a full file backup of unmolested and less molested files to be able to go back on.
I am trying to do things in little steps now so if I do have something blow up then it will be easier for me to debug. I am doing all my changes on git now so ill have some history tracking also.
I even tried just swapping the
din.01 to din.02
and
din.02 to din.01
and it would not start after that.
I am trying to have
Since the A is not going to be used at the moment on this machine should I just # all the lines associated with it? I am planning on getting a 4th eventually.
I do not know if i have encoder index pulses, I think mine do but not 100%
hmm I can not think of what other questions I needed to ask
Thanks again!
I did do a full file backup of unmolested and less molested files to be able to go back on.
I am trying to do things in little steps now so if I do have something blow up then it will be easier for me to debug. I am doing all my changes on git now so ill have some history tracking also.
I even tried just swapping the
din.01 to din.02
and
din.02 to din.01
and it would not start after that.
I am trying to have
# connect limit/home switch outputs to motion controller
newsig Xminlim bit
newsig Xmaxlim bit
newsig Xhome bit
linksp Xminlim <= ppmc.0.din.01.in-not
linksp Xminlim => axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in
linksp Xmaxlim <= ppmc.0.din.02.in-not
linksp Xmaxlim => axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in
linksp Xmaxlim => axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in
linksp Xminlim axis.0.home-sw-in
newsig Yminlim bit
newsig Ymaxlim bit
newsig Yhome bit
linksp Yminlim <= ppmc.0.din.04.in-not
linksp Yminlim => axis.1.neg-lim-sw-in
linksp Ymaxlim <= ppmc.0.din.05.in-not
linksp Ymaxlim => axis.1.pos-lim-sw-in
linksp Ymaxlim => axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in
linksp Yminlim axis.0.home-sw-in
newsig Zminlim bit
newsig Zmaxlim bit
newsig Zhome bit
linksp Zminlim <= ppmc.0.din.07.in-not
linksp Zminlim => axis.2.neg-lim-sw-in
linksp Zmaxlim <= ppmc.0.din.08.in-not
linksp Zmaxlim => axis.2.pos-lim-sw-in
linksp Zmaxlim => axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in
linksp Zminlim axis.0.home-sw-in
#newsig Aminlim bit
#newsig Amaxlim bit
#newsig Ahome bit
#linksp Aminlim <= ppmc.0.din.12.in-not
#linksp Aminlim => axis.3.neg-lim-sw-in
#linksp Amaxlim <= ppmc.0.din.13.in-not
#linksp Amaxlim => axis.3.pos-lim-sw-in
#linksp Amaxlim => axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in
#linksp Aminlim axis.0.home-sw-inSince the A is not going to be used at the moment on this machine should I just # all the lines associated with it? I am planning on getting a 4th eventually.
I do not know if i have encoder index pulses, I think mine do but not 100%
hmm I can not think of what other questions I needed to ask
Thanks again!
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20 Jan 2016 04:14 #68795
by jmelson
Replied by jmelson on topic Hurco BMC 20 Ultimax 3 Retrofit
You have this line duplicated. I think this is what is causing the problem.
linksp Xmaxlim => axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in
linksp Xmaxlim => axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in
The index feature allows more precise homing, generally to the very same encoder count every time you home. So, if you set up a fixture and locate it with a touch-off on Monday, and then shut down and restart LinuxCNC on Tuesday, you can pick up the same location without doing the touchoff again.
Jon
Jon
linksp Xmaxlim => axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in
linksp Xmaxlim => axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in
Yes, you can, but it could cause LinuxCNC to not start, if you don't get every place in all the files that reference something connected with the 4th axis.Since the A is not going to be used at the moment on this machine should I just # all the lines associated with it? I am planning on getting a 4th eventually.
If your encoders only have A and B, then there is no index. If they have A, B and Z, then they do.I do not know if i have encoder index pulses, I think mine do but not 100%
The index feature allows more precise homing, generally to the very same encoder count every time you home. So, if you set up a fixture and locate it with a touch-off on Monday, and then shut down and restart LinuxCNC on Tuesday, you can pick up the same location without doing the touchoff again.
Jon
Jon
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20 Jan 2016 04:28 #68796
by Jake
Replied by Jake on topic Hurco BMC 20 Ultimax 3 Retrofit
I deleted the extra lines, looks like I had them on every axis.
I will leave the fourth inputs then, sounds like that will be way simpler. I have plenty of inputs with 2 DIO's
Yep mine are A,B,Z's I was wondering if I was going to be able to do that or have to leave the machine idling. The old Mori I had you had to leave going. If it shut down it was a whole new day. It was like 50 first dates with that machine.
I will leave the fourth inputs then, sounds like that will be way simpler. I have plenty of inputs with 2 DIO's
Yep mine are A,B,Z's I was wondering if I was going to be able to do that or have to leave the machine idling. The old Mori I had you had to leave going. If it shut down it was a whole new day. It was like 50 first dates with that machine.
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21 Jan 2016 00:43 #68856
by Jake
Replied by Jake on topic Hurco BMC 20 Ultimax 3 Retrofit
IT WORKED THIS TIME!!!!!
Now onto verifying limits work correctly and getting 24vdc to the servos and setting up the way lube and servo enable SSR's
THANKS EVERYBODY!!!!!!
Now onto verifying limits work correctly and getting 24vdc to the servos and setting up the way lube and servo enable SSR's
THANKS EVERYBODY!!!!!!
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21 Jan 2016 03:44 #68864
by Jake
Replied by Jake on topic Hurco BMC 20 Ultimax 3 Retrofit
Onto the next section!
How does this look for the servo enable,
Is there a list where all the commands are? like on this one I saw the "amp-enable-out" in the motion section, but I did not know if the statement "amp-enable" would be accepted.
I also found the amp faults
Now I just need to find a way to reset the fault alarms.
Also for the lube pump
The method of approach with the software is starting to make more sense now.
How does this look for the servo enable,
Is there a list where all the commands are? like on this one I saw the "amp-enable-out" in the motion section, but I did not know if the statement "amp-enable" would be accepted.
# Servo Amp Enable SSR1
# newsig Amp-enable bit
# linksp Amp-enable <= ppmc.0.dout.01.out
# linksp Amp-enable => axis.01.amp-enable-outI also found the amp faults
# Servo Alarms X DI0, Y DI3, Z DI6, A DI9
# linksp amp-fault-in <= ppmc.0.din.00.in
# linksp amp-fault-in => axis.00.amp-fault-in
# linksp amp-fault-in <= ppmc.0.din.03.in
# linksp amp-fault-in => axis.01.amp-fault-in
# linksp amp-fault-in <= ppmc.0.in.06.in
# linksp amp-fault-in => axis.02.amp-fault-in
# linksp amp-fault-in <= ppmc.0.in.09.in
# linksp amp-fault-in => axis.03.amp-fault-inNow I just need to find a way to reset the fault alarms.
Also for the lube pump
# Way Lube Pump SSR 3
# Way Lube Level DI 27
# linksp lube <= ppmc.0.dout.03.out
# linksp lube => iocontrol.0.lube
# linksp lube_level <= ppmc.0.din.27.in
# linksp lube_level => iocontrol.0.lube_levelThe method of approach with the software is starting to make more sense now.
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21 Jan 2016 05:03 #68867
by jmelson
newsig declares the name of a signal. linksp links a signal to a pin.
There is a newer syntax that puts all this on one line. It would look like :
net Amp-enable axis.01.amp-enable-out ppmc.0.dout.01.out
The <= and => arrows are for human readability only, and are ignored by hal.
axis.nn.amp-enable-out are all controlled by the same internal signal, so they all come on and off at the same time. I generally connect axis.00.amp-enable-out to all the places that need to be enabled.
Jon
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Amp-enable is a signal, you can use any name that is not the name of a pin or command.Onto the next section!
How does this look for the servo enable,
Is there a list where all the commands are? like on this one I saw the "amp-enable-out" in the motion section, but I did not know if the statement "amp-enable" would be accepted.
newsig declares the name of a signal. linksp links a signal to a pin.
There is a newer syntax that puts all this on one line. It would look like :
net Amp-enable axis.01.amp-enable-out ppmc.0.dout.01.out
The <= and => arrows are for human readability only, and are ignored by hal.
axis.nn.amp-enable-out are all controlled by the same internal signal, so they all come on and off at the same time. I generally connect axis.00.amp-enable-out to all the places that need to be enabled.
I just set up the amp faults to cause an e-stop by breaking the estop chain. But, depending on your amps, that may make it hard to tell which servo amp had the fault. If they have latching indications, I'd just hook them all to the estop. Otherwise, it ties up a lot of digital inputs.
# Servo Amp Enable SSR1 # newsig Amp-enable bit # linksp Amp-enable <= ppmc.0.dout.01.out # linksp Amp-enable => axis.01.amp-enable-out
I also found the amp faults
# Servo Alarms X DI0, Y DI3, Z DI6, A DI9 # linksp amp-fault-in <= ppmc.0.din.00.in # linksp amp-fault-in => axis.00.amp-fault-in # linksp amp-fault-in <= ppmc.0.din.03.in # linksp amp-fault-in => axis.01.amp-fault-in # linksp amp-fault-in <= ppmc.0.in.06.in # linksp amp-fault-in => axis.02.amp-fault-in # linksp amp-fault-in <= ppmc.0.in.09.in # linksp amp-fault-in => axis.03.amp-fault-in
I have not used the lube pump feature, would theis be activated by an M code? Some people rig timers to provide some lube every hour the spindle is on.Now I just need to find a way to reset the fault alarms.
Also for the lube pump# Way Lube Pump SSR 3 # Way Lube Level DI 27 # linksp lube <= ppmc.0.dout.03.out # linksp lube => iocontrol.0.lube # linksp lube_level <= ppmc.0.din.27.in # linksp lube_level => iocontrol.0.lube_level
Oh good! It takes a while to be somewhat comfortable in HAL.The method of approach with the software is starting to make more sense now.
Jon
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21 Jan 2016 10:51 #68873
by andypugh
As Jon said, you seem to be talking about signals, and they can be anything (case sensitve) that you want.
Feel free to use your native language for signals, if you prefer.
The actual HAL commands are listed here:
linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/halcmd.1.html
Every HAL module that you load will create its own pins. The complete list depends on which modules are loaded.
You can get a list by opening a terminal with LinuxCNC loaded and using the command "halcmd show pin"
You will almost certainly have all of these:
linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/motion.9.html
and these:
linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/iocontrol.1.html
Probably these
linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/halui.1.html
and because you have loaded the PPMC driver, these:
linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/drivers/pico-ppmc.html
Any other modules loaded will also create pins. They are all listed here:
linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/
You may want to collapse the documents and expand he man-pages to view the list.
It is worth scanning through the realtime components quickly just to see what there is.
There are literally thousands of possible HAL pin names, and some are created on-th-fly according to data from the hardware.
Given that you can also over-ride the default names of many pins using the "names=" and "alias" commands and it turns out to be impossible to create a definitive list.
The best thing to do is to look at what you actually have. In the Axis interface the Machine->Show HAL Configuration menu item is a handy way to explore them, and watch them change. (In the "watch" tab.
You can also monitor individual HAL pins with Halmeter and plot them over time with HALscope.
Replied by andypugh on topic Hurco BMC 20 Ultimax 3 Retrofit
Is there a list where all the commands are?
As Jon said, you seem to be talking about signals, and they can be anything (case sensitve) that you want.
Feel free to use your native language for signals, if you prefer.
The actual HAL commands are listed here:
linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/halcmd.1.html
Every HAL module that you load will create its own pins. The complete list depends on which modules are loaded.
You can get a list by opening a terminal with LinuxCNC loaded and using the command "halcmd show pin"
You will almost certainly have all of these:
linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/motion.9.html
and these:
linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/iocontrol.1.html
Probably these
linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/halui.1.html
and because you have loaded the PPMC driver, these:
linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/drivers/pico-ppmc.html
Any other modules loaded will also create pins. They are all listed here:
linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/
You may want to collapse the documents and expand he man-pages to view the list.
It is worth scanning through the realtime components quickly just to see what there is.
There are literally thousands of possible HAL pin names, and some are created on-th-fly according to data from the hardware.
Given that you can also over-ride the default names of many pins using the "names=" and "alias" commands and it turns out to be impossible to create a definitive list.
The best thing to do is to look at what you actually have. In the Axis interface the Machine->Show HAL Configuration menu item is a handy way to explore them, and watch them change. (In the "watch" tab.
You can also monitor individual HAL pins with Halmeter and plot them over time with HALscope.
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26 Jan 2016 23:35 - 27 Jan 2016 01:52 #69137
by Jake
Replied by Jake on topic Hurco BMC 20 Ultimax 3 Retrofit
I am getting a bit further. It appears that my servo alarms are not latching. So I am going to keep on with just sending the alarms to the digital inputs. I have plenty of them, its the outputs that I am still short on.
I am getting this note on the no start though.
"axis.00.amp-fault-x" not found
I thought I could use the newsig to assign whatever signal I wanted to
edit................I need to change them to newsig to net, will that make the difference?
I tried a couple different things with no success. I am trying to take a step at a time with things to make it easier to fix when I screw it up. I am working on getting the alarms going and be able to enable the 3 ssr's for the servos ( they will all end up being on one when I get the current amp done). Then I should be at a point where I can fire up the rest of the power and tune the servos.
This is what I have for the servo enable I tried with the newer style of code line for it also
I also wanted to make sure the first and second code snippets are the same, as I am trying to go to the newer syntax. I actually like it better
Thanks guys!
I am getting this note on the no start though.
"axis.00.amp-fault-x" not found
I thought I could use the newsig to assign whatever signal I wanted to
edit................I need to change them to newsig to net, will that make the difference?
I tried a couple different things with no success. I am trying to take a step at a time with things to make it easier to fix when I screw it up. I am working on getting the alarms going and be able to enable the 3 ssr's for the servos ( they will all end up being on one when I get the current amp done). Then I should be at a point where I can fire up the rest of the power and tune the servos.
# Servo Alarms X DI0, Y DI3, Z DI6, A DI9
newsig amp-fault-x bit
net amp-fault-x axis.00.amp-fault-in ppmc.0.din.01.in
newsig amp-fault-y bit
net amp-fault-y axis.01.amp-fault-in ppmc.0.din.02.in
newsig amp-fault-z bit
net amp-fault-z axis.02.amp-fault-in ppmc.0.din.03.in
newsig amp-fault-a bit
net amp-fault-a axis.03.amp-fault-in ppmc.0.din.04.inThis is what I have for the servo enable I tried with the newer style of code line for it also
# Servo Amp Enable SSR1
newsig Amp-enable-x bit
net Amp-enable-x axis.00.amp-enable-out ppmc.0.dout.01.out
# Servo Amp Enable SSR2 temp till current amp gets built
newsig Amp-enable-y bit
net Amp-enable-y axis.01.amp-enable-out ppmc.0.dout.02.out
# Servo Amp Enable SSR3 temp till current amp gets built
newsig Amp-enable-z bit
net Amp-enable-z axis.02.amp-enable-out ppmc.0.dout.03.outI also wanted to make sure the first and second code snippets are the same, as I am trying to go to the newer syntax. I actually like it better
# connect limit/home switch outputs to motion controller
#newsig Xminlim bit
#newsig Xmaxlim bit
#newsig Xhome bit
#net Xminlim axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in ppmc.0.din.01.in-not
#net Xmaxlim axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in ppmc.0.din.02.in-not
newsig Xminlim bit
newsig Xmaxlim bit
newsig Xhome bit
linksp Xminlim <= ppmc.0.din.01.in-not
linksp Xminlim => axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in
linksp Xmaxlim <= ppmc.0.din.02.in-not
linksp Xmaxlim => axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in
linksp Xminlim axis.0.home-sw-inThanks guys!
Last edit: 27 Jan 2016 01:52 by Jake. Reason: imatard
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27 Jan 2016 02:43 - 27 Jan 2016 02:47 #69144
by jmelson
The following line looks correct :
net amp-fault-x axis.00.amp-fault-in ppmc.0.din.01.in
But, there is no need to create the signal with a newsig and then connect it with net. Just use the net command without the newsig.
See linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/core-components.html for more info on the correct pin names for the axis component.
Jon
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You can assign an input to a SIGNAL with any name, but axis.00.amp-fault-x is placed where a PIN name is required. And, the pin names are created by the writer of the hal component.I am getting a bit further. It appears that my servo alarms are not latching. So I am going to keep on with just sending the alarms to the digital inputs. I have plenty of them, its the outputs that I am still short on.
I am getting this note on the no start though.
"axis.00.amp-fault-x" not found
I thought I could use the newsig to assign whatever signal I wanted to
The following line looks correct :
net amp-fault-x axis.00.amp-fault-in ppmc.0.din.01.in
But, there is no need to create the signal with a newsig and then connect it with net. Just use the net command without the newsig.
See linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/core-components.html for more info on the correct pin names for the axis component.
Jon
Last edit: 27 Jan 2016 02:47 by jmelson.
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27 Jan 2016 02:55 #69145
by Jake
Replied by Jake on topic Hurco BMC 20 Ultimax 3 Retrofit
Thanks Jon
I will try that out tomorrow when I get home.
I will try that out tomorrow when I get home.
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