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12 years 10 months ago #42131 by tenaja
Replied by tenaja on topic eccentric turning

lelef wrote: ... but my x axis isn't very fast and powerfull with a stepper so I will change it with a better sized dc servo

Sounds to me like your stepper is either grossly undersized or grossly underpowered, or both. A properly sized stepper that is properly powered could easily make the moves shown in those videos. I have a nema 23 stepper system running 500 inches per minute without fear of stalling (on a cast iron dovetail slide), and 500 ipm is faster than anything in those videos, and it was not expensive--just chosen with care.

One of the bigger expenses to a great stepper system is the power supply, so instead of spending $200, people often spend a fraction of that, and get a cheapass $30 power supply and expect "almost as good" performance, because "afterall, the motor is only rated for 5v." Then they end up with a crummy system, and blame it on the steppers rather than a poorly chosen system. There is a huge difference in performance between a 40v and 70v power supply...it is the difference between mediocrity and possibly outperforming a cheap servo system. (Obviously, the definition of "outperform" depends on the system goals.)

You pinch pennies on your power supply, and you will be wondering why your so-called 300oz-in stepper stalls at 50 inches/minute, and you will be thinking you need a 1,000 oz-in servo to get the speed you want, but in reality all you needed was an adequate power supply. The big difference between steppers and servos is the mindset. Servo drives are not considered "cheap" systems, so shoppers don't have the penny pinching mindset and the resulting systems are less likely to be underpowered with a crummy power supply.

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12 years 10 months ago - 12 years 10 months ago #42159 by lelef
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thank you, I know about the steppers, it is good sized and the power supply is good but the lathe is quite big, it is a Grazioli Dania it is capable of 20 and more mm of cutting on C45 and harder materials ,the dc servo of the Z has no problem ,the stepper with the load of just 12mm has problems,.
Till now it wasn't a big problem, doing works with the cnc control but doing eccentric turning I think the more fast the stepper goes the less load it can stand so I've thinked to put a dc servo (or a brushless servo ) also for the X ,servos can go faster with more constant torque
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12 years 10 months ago #42180 by andypugh
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tenaja wrote: A properly sized stepper that is properly powered could easily make the moves shown in those videos.

In fact, in my video, it is a stepper motor making the moves (NEMA23, 2 stack, 32V)

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7 years 11 months ago #121397 by Peter_Cassar
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Hi Andy, Do you have any further details on this component? I have an idea to make form relieved gear cutters and produce the backing off with this technique. What I'd like to do is specify the number of lobes on the OD of a turned part , say 12 which will be the number of teeth. The X axis travel only needs to be 15 to 20 thou.

Peter.

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7 years 11 months ago #121398 by andypugh
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Peter_Cassar wrote: Hi Andy, Do you have any further details on this component? I have an idea to make form relieved gear cutters and produce the backing off with this technique.


I have exactly the same idea, but have not, as yet, got round to it.

Now that the external-offsets branch has been merged it is technically much easier.

I am not sure what the ideal shape is, a sinusoid would be easiest for the machine to follow, but might not be the ideal relief shape.

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7 years 11 months ago #121400 by Peter_Cassar
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I think a sinusoid is OK. You would have pre-gashed gear blanks and the tool needs to retract while in the tooth gap. The commercial form relieving machines are sinusoidal and based off cams/eccentrics. quick retract would be ideal though so that would be an asymetric cam profile if it can be achieved.

Is there some code I can try or is it in the latest LinuxCNC build. I'm keen to give it a shot.
Peter

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