7i76e and opto ancoder TCST2103

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01 Mar 2020 19:11 - 01 Mar 2020 20:14 #158903 by alkabal
7i76e and opto ancoder TCST2103 was created by alkabal
Hi

Can you help for encoder wiring to 7i76e ?

I have try with same wring as my old card (working finr)
Burned 2pcs Tcst2103, for now only A is not burned so i try to test with only this one
setp [HMOT](CARD0).encoder.00.counter-mode 1        # A only for now
setp [HMOT](CARD0).encoder.00.filter 1

7i76e jumper set to single end encoder.
www.vishay.com/docs/81147/tcst2103.pdf

It is correct ?

Br
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01 Mar 2020 19:23 - 01 Mar 2020 19:29 #158904 by PCW
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Yes, that will work for a "A" only encoder

A ~120 Ohm LED current limit resistor should be about right (~35 mA LED current)
considering the 10-20 current transfer ratio and the 2K pullup resistors on the encoder inputs

Wiring:

+5V --> 120 Ohm --> TCST2103 LED anode --> GND
TCST2103 Collector --> 7I76E ENCA (ENCB,ENCIDX)
TCST2103 Emitter --> GND
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01 Mar 2020 20:14 #158907 by alkabal
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Thanks for fast reply.

It is also ok like this ?

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01 Mar 2020 20:22 #158908 by PCW
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That looks right, though I would probably put the 120 ohm resistor in the positive side of the LED
so if you accidentally ground the LED cathode lead you dont destroy the LED
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01 Mar 2020 23:10 #158920 by alkabal
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I'm really happy at the end the 3 TCST2103 work fine !

Many thanks for wirering information.

Also really really happy with this powerfull mesa card

Br

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01 Mar 2020 23:13 - 01 Mar 2020 23:14 #158921 by alkabal
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At same time a new question before starting to test.

How work the spindle modul regarding to offset for use with both rev/fw with -15 +15v connected ?

with my oldest card i need to offset pwm output to 50% for 0rpm
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02 Mar 2020 01:36 #158926 by PCW
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Whoa! Don't connect +-15V to the 7I76E spindle interface, that _will_ kill it
15V total (+-7.5V) is the maximum

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02 Mar 2020 02:51 - 02 Mar 2020 02:54 #158929 by alkabal
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Too late...
In reality i can set +-10v but i think is also too much. and i have already do the wrong things.

I have now allways 10v on the spinout.

It is possible to fix this myself ? (i think this is not covered by warranty :pinch: ) (only one chip to replace ?)

What is for you the good way for controlling this spindle KBMG-212D ?

Br
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02 Mar 2020 03:07 - 02 Mar 2020 03:24 #158931 by PCW
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15V is the data sheet specified max between SPIN- and SPIN+

There are 2 parts that could be damaged by excessive voltage between
SPIN- and SPIN+:
U25 CD4001BC (absolute max VDD = 20V)
U26 NCV5230 or NE5230 ( absolute max VCC-VEE = 18V)

Driving the KBMG-212D with a 7I76E spindle out could be done a couple of ways:

1. Supply 15V, offset the spindle output 1/2 way up in HAL and adjust the drive speed gain so +-7.5V is sufficient (if possible)
2. Supply 10V and use a small DPDT relay to swap the SPIN- and SPINOUT connections to the drive depending on
the SPINDIR state
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02 Mar 2020 11:44 #158963 by alkabal
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what do you think about replacing by :
www.digchip.com/datasheets/parts/datasheet/456/HCF4001B-pdf.php
www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/NE5534-D.PDF

for your solution :
1 : With Gnd and +15v the 7i76e is able to output -7.5v ?
2 : you says "swap the SPIN- and SPINOUT" or you want to says "swap the SPIN- and SPIN+" ?

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